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I was looking at RNAV (GPS) RWY 6RNAV (GPS) RWY 6. II considered that conceivably ATC could have me enter the hold at an altitude requiring a rapid descent to get to the initial approach altitude.

I know that unless NoPT is specified on the initial segment or from the TAA sector that you must do at least 1 hold, but what I wasn't sure was could you do more than one hold at your own discretion?

So, say, you were told to cross the IAF at 4000 and you felt like losing 2000 feet in half a hold would make your passengers uncomfortable, could you just make two laps? Would you have to ask ATC for permission first?

It looks like crossing the hold fix is your initial approach fix and then it's subsequently an intermediate fix so it seems like the design is that you enter the hold and then cross the holding fix on your way into the approach, so it seems like it's designated that you cross the fix only twice, but I wanted to be sure.

Edit:

Certainly there are exceptions. When directed by ATC to fly a straight in approach, the hold-in-lieu is not required. If NoPT is designated for your TAA region or on your initial segment, then it is forbidden.

To rephrase my question, given that your hold-in-lieu is required then your lower bound is 1 hold. Is there a designated upper bound of 1 hold as well?

I.e., if a hold -in-lieu-of-procedure turn is required, is it 1 and only 1 hold?

Sorry for the confusion.

I was looking at RNAV (GPS) RWY 6. I considered that conceivably ATC could have me enter the hold at an altitude requiring a rapid descent to get to the initial approach altitude.

I know that unless NoPT is specified on the initial segment or from the TAA sector that you must do at least 1 hold, but what I wasn't sure was could you do more than one hold at your own discretion?

So, say, you were told to cross the IAF at 4000 and you felt like losing 2000 feet in half a hold would make your passengers uncomfortable, could you just make two laps? Would you have to ask ATC for permission first?

It looks like crossing the hold fix is your initial approach fix and then it's subsequently an intermediate fix so it seems like the design is that you enter the hold and then cross the holding fix on your way into the approach, so it seems like it's designated that you cross the fix only twice, but I wanted to be sure.

Edit:

Certainly there are exceptions. When directed by ATC to fly a straight in approach, the hold-in-lieu is not required. If NoPT is designated for your TAA region or on your initial segment, then it is forbidden.

To rephrase my question, given that your hold-in-lieu is required then your lower bound is 1 hold. Is there a designated upper bound of 1 hold as well?

I.e., if a hold -in-lieu-of-procedure turn is required, is it 1 and only 1 hold?

Sorry for the confusion.

I was looking at RNAV (GPS) RWY 6. I considered that conceivably ATC could have me enter the hold at an altitude requiring a rapid descent to get to the initial approach altitude.

I know that unless NoPT is specified on the initial segment or from the TAA sector that you must do at least 1 hold, but what I wasn't sure was could you do more than one hold at your own discretion?

So, say, you were told to cross the IAF at 4000 and you felt like losing 2000 feet in half a hold would make your passengers uncomfortable, could you just make two laps? Would you have to ask ATC for permission first?

It looks like crossing the hold fix is your initial approach fix and then it's subsequently an intermediate fix so it seems like the design is that you enter the hold and then cross the holding fix on your way into the approach, so it seems like it's designated that you cross the fix only twice, but I wanted to be sure.

Edit:

Certainly there are exceptions. When directed by ATC to fly a straight in approach, the hold-in-lieu is not required. If NoPT is designated for your TAA region or on your initial segment, then it is forbidden.

To rephrase my question, given that your hold-in-lieu is required then your lower bound is 1 hold. Is there a designated upper bound of 1 hold as well?

I.e., if a hold -in-lieu-of-procedure turn is required, is it 1 and only 1 hold?

Sorry for the confusion.

I wanted to clarify that I'm asking about the upper bound. Do you have to ask permission to fly more than one hold on an RNAV approach?
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I was looking at RNAV (GPS) RWY 6. I considered that conceivably ATC could have me enter the hold at an altitude requiring a rapid descent to get to the initial approach altitude.

I know that unless NoPT is specified on the initial segment or from the TAA sector that you must do at least 1 hold, but what I wasn't sure was could you do more than one hold at your own discretion?

So, say, you were told to cross the IAF at 4000 and you felt like losing 2000 feet in half a hold would make your passengers uncomfortable, could you just make two laps? Would you have to ask ATC for permission first?

It looks like crossing the hold fix is your initial approach fix and then it's subsequently an intermediate fix so it seems like the design is that you enter the hold and then cross the holding fix on your way into the approach, so it seems like it's designated that you cross the fix only twice, but I wanted to be sure.

Edit:

Certainly there are exceptions. When directed by ATC to fly a straight in approach, the hold-in-lieu is not required. If NoPT is designated for your TAA region or on your initial segment, then it is forbidden.

To rephrase my question, given that your hold-in-lieu is required then your lower bound is 1 hold. Is there a designated upper bound of 1 hold as well?

I.e., if a hold -in-lieu-of-procedure turn is required, is it 1 and only 1 hold?

Sorry for the confusion.

I was looking at RNAV (GPS) RWY 6. I considered that conceivably ATC could have me enter the hold at an altitude requiring a rapid descent to get to the initial approach altitude.

I know that unless NoPT is specified on the initial segment or from the TAA sector that you must do at least 1 hold, but what I wasn't sure was could you do more than one hold at your own discretion?

So, say, you were told to cross the IAF at 4000 and you felt like losing 2000 feet in half a hold would make your passengers uncomfortable, could you just make two laps? Would you have to ask ATC for permission first?

It looks like crossing the hold fix is your initial approach fix and then it's subsequently an intermediate fix so it seems like the design is that you enter the hold and then cross the holding fix on your way into the approach, so it seems like it's designated that you cross the fix only twice, but I wanted to be sure.

I was looking at RNAV (GPS) RWY 6. I considered that conceivably ATC could have me enter the hold at an altitude requiring a rapid descent to get to the initial approach altitude.

I know that unless NoPT is specified on the initial segment or from the TAA sector that you must do at least 1 hold, but what I wasn't sure was could you do more than one hold at your own discretion?

So, say, you were told to cross the IAF at 4000 and you felt like losing 2000 feet in half a hold would make your passengers uncomfortable, could you just make two laps? Would you have to ask ATC for permission first?

It looks like crossing the hold fix is your initial approach fix and then it's subsequently an intermediate fix so it seems like the design is that you enter the hold and then cross the holding fix on your way into the approach, so it seems like it's designated that you cross the fix only twice, but I wanted to be sure.

Edit:

Certainly there are exceptions. When directed by ATC to fly a straight in approach, the hold-in-lieu is not required. If NoPT is designated for your TAA region or on your initial segment, then it is forbidden.

To rephrase my question, given that your hold-in-lieu is required then your lower bound is 1 hold. Is there a designated upper bound of 1 hold as well?

I.e., if a hold -in-lieu-of-procedure turn is required, is it 1 and only 1 hold?

Sorry for the confusion.

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Is a hold in lieu of a procedure turn specifically one hold on an RNAV approach?

I was looking at RNAV (GPS) RWY 6. I considered that conceivably ATC could have me enter the hold at an altitude requiring a rapid descent to get to the initial approach altitude.

I know that unless NoPT is specified on the initial segment or from the TAA sector that you must do at least 1 hold, but what I wasn't sure was could you do more than one hold at your own discretion?

So, say, you were told to cross the IAF at 4000 and you felt like losing 2000 feet in half a hold would make your passengers uncomfortable, could you just make two laps? Would you have to ask ATC for permission first?

It looks like crossing the hold fix is your initial approach fix and then it's subsequently an intermediate fix so it seems like the design is that you enter the hold and then cross the holding fix on your way into the approach, so it seems like it's designated that you cross the fix only twice, but I wanted to be sure.