Timeline for Having trouble reading some charts (SBMG-SBLO)
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| Feb 18, 2020 at 12:00 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/StackAviation/status/1229737524739870721 | ||
| Feb 15, 2020 at 5:09 | vote | accept | Douglas Silva | ||
| Feb 14, 2020 at 18:53 | comment | added | Dean F. | @Radu094 - You are exactly right. The approach can be picked up anywhere before the FAF. I cautioned the OP against it in general unless being radar vectored because the difference in MSA and the FAF crossing altitude could be too great to affect a reasonable and stable descent. This particular IAP should pose no problems for a Cessna, though. I’ve had ATC keep me higher than this for traffic up until the very last possible minute. It was in VMC on a practice procedure, though. Self-vectoring in IMC normally would not be advised without doing the full procedure. VMC is doable, though. | |
| Feb 14, 2020 at 8:19 | comment | added | Radu094 | alternatively, provided you are cleared that way, once <11 Dme LON you can turn left and establish on the 10 Dme arc, descending from 5000' to 4100', turn right at Ceila( after crossing R297) and just continue on the procedure. It would be legal and doable provided ATC is aware of your intentions and has cleared you | |
| Feb 14, 2020 at 8:10 | comment | added | Radu094 | @DeanF. ouch, you are right about Ceila , that is an IF. Well, unless there are other parts of the chart missing, it will still work if he reached Ceila at 5000' then descend to Edpud in 2nm..a bit steep for a jet, but a Cessna can do that no problem | |
| Feb 14, 2020 at 3:47 | comment | added | Dean F. | @crimson_king - All of these can be found for free online. | |
| Feb 14, 2020 at 3:43 | comment | added | Dean F. | Pilots Handbook of Aeronautical Knowledge. Airplane Flying Handbook. Instrument Flying Handbook. Instrument Procedures Handbook. Digital Terminal Procedures Supplemental. Aeronautical Chart User’s Guide. Terminal Procedure Publications. Flight Navigator Handbook. Advanced Avionics Handbook. | |
| Feb 14, 2020 at 3:41 | comment | added | Dean F. | Just to clarify, it is usually unwise to join the Approach on the Intermediate leg unless you are being radar vectored by ATC due to the difference in altitude between the MSA and the crossing altitudes for the FAF. As far as thorough material... | |
| Feb 14, 2020 at 2:17 | comment | added | Douglas Silva | Thanks for the clarifications. It seems I have a lot to learn before attempting these procedures. Do you recommend any specific material that covers instrument navigation thoroughly? | |
| Feb 14, 2020 at 1:32 | comment | added | Dean F. | @Radu094 - Celia is marked IF (Intermediate Fix). If it were an Initial Approach Fix, it would be marked either IAF or IF/IAF. | |
| Feb 14, 2020 at 1:21 | comment | added | Dean F. | Also, the link you have on your question is to an RNAV SID. You would just follow the magenta line. There is no VOR radial that you need to track. The VOR acts as another GPS waypoint. You are tracking from waypoint to waypoint. You have to switch from RNAV to VOR radio navigation if you want to subsequently fly the VOR Z RWY 13. That means abandoning the SID early. Or, flying all the way to the VOR before starting the published approach. | |
| Feb 14, 2020 at 0:07 | answer | added | Dean F. | timeline score: 3 | |
| Feb 13, 2020 at 20:38 | comment | added | Dean F. | Be very aware of the altitude difference between the MSA and the crossing altitude of your fixes. And, if the IAP has a TAA, you are technically established on the approach if you follow the TAA. | |
| Feb 13, 2020 at 19:55 | comment | added | Dean F. | For an Approach, it is perfectly fine to enter the approach anytime between the IAF and the FAF. Typically, this is done by radar vectors from ATC. Otherwise, you should stay above the MSA until you are established on a published leg. Under radar vectors, ATC can get you as close to the airport as the Intermediate Leg. Once established On the Intermediate Leg, you will be lined up for alignment with the Final Approach Leg. | |
| Feb 13, 2020 at 17:12 | comment | added | Radu094 | The VOR chart is indeed a conventional one, but it does not match your route. You either need to find a transition of some sort, radar vectors, or self-position (using RNAV) to Ceila which is your Initial Fix | |
| Feb 13, 2020 at 17:10 | comment | added | Radu094 | Well, for one thing that MG123 waypoint is an RNAV waypoint, you cannot fly that route using conventional VOR/DMEs you would have in a Cessna.You need to be at least B-RNAV capable, then track 096 to MG123 followed by 100 to LON (which just so happens to be a VOR but does not need to) | |
| Feb 13, 2020 at 16:03 | history | edited | Douglas Silva | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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