Timeline for answer to When does Myr Superion check the source? by Andrew
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| Feb 11, 2019 at 21:19 | history | edited | Andrew | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Feb 11, 2019 at 21:18 | comment | added | Andrew | @murgatroid99 seems like we have an answer and they agree with ikegami and myself. | |
| Feb 11, 2019 at 20:55 | comment | added | murgatroid99♦ | I have sent a question to the "Ask a Magic Judge" tumblr blog. We'll see if we get a response. | |
| Feb 11, 2019 at 20:43 | comment | added | murgatroid99♦ | @Andrew That's essentially the same question asked slightly differently. In both cases you're looking at a restriction on what mana can be spent on a cost based on a characteristic of the source of that mana. | |
| Feb 11, 2019 at 20:42 | comment | added | ikegami | @murgatroid99, Your interpretation makes sense too. I think this question needs to be brought to a higher authority. | |
| Feb 11, 2019 at 20:41 | comment | added | Andrew | @murgatroid99 Is snow mana snow mana if the source gained the snow supertype after the mana is produced? | |
| Feb 11, 2019 at 20:40 | comment | added | ikegami | Re "That would only care when the ability was put on the stack", Ok, that makes absolutely no sense to me. The mana is only created resolution. It shouldn't matter what the source of the ability was when the ability was activated. | |
| Feb 11, 2019 at 20:39 | comment | added | murgatroid99♦ | @ikegami My interpretation is that the ability checks what object produced the mana, and that would be a reference to the object, not a description of the object's characteristics. | |
| Feb 11, 2019 at 20:39 | comment | added | Andrew | @KamilDrakari That would only care when the ability was put on the stack, not when it resolved I would say, when abilities go onto the stack, unless they specify otherwise they are no longer connected directly to what put the ability on stack (exceptions like fight). | |
| Feb 11, 2019 at 20:38 | comment | added | murgatroid99♦ | That's not what restrictions and riders are. Those are parts of the ability that creates the mana that modify how the mana can be used or what happens when you spend it. Also, your Wrath of God thing is irrelevant because that's handled by last known information. | |
| Feb 11, 2019 at 20:38 | comment | added | ikegami | @murgatroid99, I'm inclined to agree with Andrew's conclusion. The ability checks how it was produced. | |
| Feb 11, 2019 at 20:35 | comment | added | Andrew | @murgatroid99 Look at the ruling on mana with Kruprix, riders on the mana stay permanently, that would include the characteristics of the source. Say a player creates mana with a creature then casts Wrath of God, is that no longer mana produced by a creature, since the object is no longer a creature on the battlefield? | |
| Feb 11, 2019 at 20:34 | comment | added | Kamil Drakari | You say "when the mana ability was activated and the mana created", but as I mentioned in the Deathrite Shaman example some abilities which create mana are not mana abilities, and thus it's possible that a permanent was a creature when that ability was activated, but not when it creates mana. Is your position that the source must be a creature at both of these times in order to count? | |
| Feb 11, 2019 at 20:32 | comment | added | murgatroid99♦ | Do you have a source for this? I think the answer is the opposite, but I can't find anything conclusive either way. | |
| Feb 11, 2019 at 20:28 | history | answered | Andrew | CC BY-SA 4.0 |