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| Sep 18, 2025 at 3:46 | comment | added | Dottard | @Dieter - actually, the Lexical summary is probably most correct - they took a very strong wine and mixed it with must to make it sweet - still intoxicating. | |
| Sep 18, 2025 at 3:01 | comment | added | Dieter | New wine? Juice continues fermenting naturally until it reaches about 11-13% by volume. At that concentration, the alcohol kills the natural yeasts. It's my understanding that wine was commonly diluted during those times, but I have no idea why there's a reference to "new" or "sweet" wine. Perhaps it originally meant wine before it was diluted. I think the BDAG is wrong about their term, "sugary." Any ideas? | |
| Sep 18, 2025 at 1:35 | comment | added | Dottard | @user117426 What I said was: Eph 5:18 uses being full of wine as the opposite of being filled with the Spirit, but, Acts 2;13 records some people confusing being filled with the Spirit with being intoxicated. | |
| Sep 18, 2025 at 1:19 | comment | added | user117426 |
Let me quote the last part of your last sentence: they see the two verses as opposites - Here you have said that the verses are opposites. Notice, the verses. Not the Holy Spirit and wine. Correct?
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| Sep 18, 2025 at 1:05 | comment | added | Dottard | @user117426 - I have not said that - please read my answer. I am agreeing with your commentators that these two verse are speaking about opposite thing but are not opposed. | |
| Sep 18, 2025 at 0:48 | comment | added | user117426 | We both agree that the commentators have used variants of the word "opposite". What we disagree about is the X and Y which are being opposed. You say X = Eph 5:18 and Y = Acts 2:13. I say X = Holy Spirit and Y = wine. | |
| Sep 18, 2025 at 0:07 | comment | added | Dottard | @user117426 - as documented above, that is what your commentators are saying - each uses a form of the word "opposite". | |
| Sep 18, 2025 at 0:03 | comment | added | user117426 | But what's being opposed in each case is the Spirit and wine, not the verses. The Spirit and wine are opposites. The verses are NOT opposites. | |
| Sep 17, 2025 at 23:55 | comment | added | Dottard | @user117426 - they are NOT contradictory but showing the opposite. Note the language in each. Ellicott: "Paul boldly opposes the divine enthusiasm of the Spirit". Meyer uses a similar word, "opposition". Poole again, "in opposition to being filled with wine". | |
| Sep 17, 2025 at 23:44 | comment | added | user117426 |
It is in this last sense that the OP's Bible commentators agree - they see the two verses as opposites. - I'm not entirely sure this conclusion is supported by the commentaries I referenced. By opposites do you mean "contradictory"? I don't think the commentators are saying Ephesians 5:18 contradicts Acts 2:13. Rather, they seem to me to be citing Acts 2:13 as providing complementary information to Eph 5:18, not contradictory information. Unless I'm missing something?
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