Timeline for answer to Are the “captives” in Ephesians 4:8 the same people raised in Matthew 27:52–53, and does this imply humans are already in heaven? by Dottard
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| 20 hours ago | comment | added | Mark Vestal | Paul was the "man caught up in the third heaven". He isn't referring to someone else. +1 | |
| 22 hours ago | comment | added | So Few Against So Many | the holy spirit gives gifts which edify the church but Christ after he ascended on high gave gifts to men , the ascended on high gives you more context since the Holy Spirit was not sent yet. | |
| 22 hours ago | comment | added | Dottard | @SoFewAgainstSoMany - correct because the work of the HS is to teach about Jesus; John 16:13, 14. Now, where is the bosom of Abraham - do you even know? | |
| 22 hours ago | comment | added | So Few Against So Many | according to the verses you quoted it is the Holy Spirit who gives gifts not Jesus. | |
| 22 hours ago | comment | added | Dottard | @SoFewAgainstSoMany - no, the gifts He gave to men are the spiritual gifts listed in 1 Cor 12 and Rom 12 as stated above. How do you know about any gifts in heaven, what is the Bible verse for that? | |
| 22 hours ago | comment | added | So Few Against So Many | and the giving of gifts happen after he ascended on high which means it took place in heaven, which means he rewarded those saints with gifts which could be the crown of life. | |
| 22 hours ago | comment | added | Dottard | @SoFewAgainstSoMany - so, again, where is the bosom of Abraham, in hades, or limbo, or paradise or heaven? Eph 4:8 does NOT say that Christ freed captives (plural) it says he took captivity captive, singular! | |
| 22 hours ago | comment | added | Dottard | @SoFewAgainstSoMany - correct - all Christians receive spiritual gifts as noted in my answer. On the parable, see hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/74270/… | |
| 23 hours ago | comment | added | So Few Against So Many | It says he have gifts to men, men is plural. | |
| yesterday | comment | added | So Few Against So Many | The rich man and Lazarus unless all the chasm and the chat Abraham had with the rich man are fake according to your interpretation. | |
| yesterday | comment | added | Dottard | @SoFewAgainstSoMany - except that it has no mention of the bosom of Abraham. So where do you get this from? | |
| yesterday | comment | added | So Few Against So Many | Abraham's bosom is where the saints of the OT gathered awaiting the arrival of the messiah. Who showed up and freed them and ascended into heaven with them according to the verse in Ephesians I shared. | |
| yesterday | comment | added | Dottard | @SoFewAgainstSoMany - BTW - what and where is "the bosom of Abraham"? Is it literally Abraham's chest of something else? Is it in Hades, Limbo or heaven or paradise? | |
| yesterday | comment | added | Dottard | @SoFewAgainstSoMany - that is possible, but so is the possibility that they died again just as Lazarus presumably did. We do not know because it is NOT recorded. But you may believe anything you wish. | |
| yesterday | comment | added | So Few Against So Many | So did those people die again after they rose again from the dead? Doesn't make sense in a resurrection context, I believe these captives were in Abraham's bosom and ascended with Christ to heaven , the first fruits in the book of revelation. | |
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