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Biblical Hermeneutics

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    @user48152 I was just responding to each point asked by the OP: "At his birth? At his crucifixion? At some point in between? At some other point?" Commented Jun 3, 2021 at 2:29
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    Well if you want to include all the major Christian views you have to include conception, no question about it. Your argument against IV should apply most of all to his birth - how would that be relevant? Though actually there has been another time that has been suggested by non-Trinitarians before: the baptism of Christ. That's a common view of adoptionists I think. Commented Jun 3, 2021 at 6:10
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    I didn't say Jesus's baptism was his birth. I meant that according to adoptionists, his baptism could be the time he stopped being 'rich'. Meanwhile I don't understand how the birth would make a difference - how was he rich while in Mary's uterus compared to being outside her uterus? If 'becoming poor' refers to leaving the Father then that surely refers to the conception, not the birth. Commented Jun 3, 2021 at 6:31
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    @curiousdannii I edited to try and accommodate your points. Commented Jun 3, 2021 at 7:22
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    @user48152 It is unwise to suggest that hermeneutics must always arrive at one conclusion. Sometimes it requires examination of multiple choices to begin whittling down the less likely conclusions. Other times, it pays to work backwards, from the present to as far back as it's possible to go. But there's no guarantee that sound hermeneutics will provide one clear-cut answer. Sometimes the answer must be, "This is not a clear-cut, black-and-white matter with one correct answer." Commented Jun 3, 2021 at 11:28