Timeline for answer to Is the resurrection of righteous and wicked at the same time?, or two separate events separated by a millenium time period? by Mark Vestal
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| Feb 2 at 0:11 | comment | added | Mark Vestal | @raygrant Thanks for the comment. Labels aside, I read Rev 20 as dividing events: saints raised/reign 1000y (20:4–6); the “rest of the dead” later; then the Great White Throne (20:11–15). Mt 24:29–31 places the gathering after tribulation, and Mt 25:31–46 has the nations judged at His coming. That’s at least two phases. When taken together it reads as sequence rather than a single simultaneous event. The NT also distinguishes reward (Rom 14:10–12; 2 Cor 5:10; 1 Cor 3:12–15 “saved yet so as by fire”) from the GWT "second death” (Rev 20:11–15). Collapsing those two blurs reward vs condemnation. | |
| Feb 1 at 22:13 | comment | added | ray grant | *MarkVestal-This outline is merely the scheme of Darby-Scofield, and doesn't seem to reflect the One Day of Jesus's teaching (See Matthew 24:36, 42, 25:31-46) | |
| Jul 14, 2024 at 22:26 | comment | added | Mark Vestal | It sounds like a good approach, @Dieter! | |
| Jul 14, 2024 at 21:20 | comment | added | Dieter | Mark, I try not avoid categorizing or forcing anything into the scriptures (aka biázōgesis), but I try to observe the patterns in scripture reveal themselves. I look to the prophecies in the tanakh that deal with the first coming of Jesus as a model of what to expect regarding the harpazo and the second coming. Some are very subtle indeed! Regarding the angels gathering the elect from the corners of the heavens, I envision believers scattered across the heavens in wildly exciting exploration, discoveries, discussions, and fellowship! Gathering them all won't be a trivial task. | |
| Jul 14, 2024 at 20:31 | comment | added | Mark Vestal | @Dieter Hello Dieter! I cannot find any reason to believe there will be much of, if any, delay from the "fulness of the Gentile" body of believers, to when Christ returns in the clouds to gather that body. I think you are correct regarding the "removal" of the 'offended' also. I can't find justification scripturally to believe that those who did not endure would enter the coming earthly kingdom, unless...the "kingdom" does not fill the entirety of earth. I believe that is a very real possibility. I believe the "gathering" of heaven (us) and earth (Israel) is the "fullness of times" (Eph 1:10). | |
| Jul 14, 2024 at 19:53 | comment | added | Dieter | I'm in general agreement, Mark, but I wonder how much time separates your 2 and 3 above (10 minutes?) and why it should make any noticeable difference. There also seems to be a physical removal of all who give offense at the end of the tribulation before the millennium starts. Finally, I've noticed that there's a gathering from one end of heaven(s) to the other, which is different from one end of the earth to the other. Any thoughts on these questions? | |
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