Timeline for Are expletives allowed in SE chat?
Current License: CC BY-SA 3.0
32 events
| when toggle format | what | by | license | comment | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Apr 17, 2013 at 17:35 | comment | added | Zane | @Caleb the problem is that people are being auto-flagged for offensive language in chat's. The particular chat room he's referring to I frequent constantly and we are all very close and by and large don't find what goes on in there to be offensive. Occasionally someone drops a curse word and they are auto-flagged and in pops a mod to ban them temporarily. | |
| Apr 17, 2013 at 17:08 | comment | added | Caleb | @ypercube But no automatic ban should happen on chat rooms as long the inhabitants are ok with the language. Presumably, inhabitants that aren't ok with the language won't flag, in which case there's no problem. So, mistakes aside, comments flagged as rude or offensive will generally come from inhabitants that aren't ok with the language, right? It's not the end of the world -- worst case someone has to sit out for 30 minutes, and after that they know that they should mind their manners a bit more. Sounds like a reasonable system to me. | |
| Apr 17, 2013 at 17:00 | comment | added | Zane | @ryan You are still missing my point sir. I'm not saying that you said anything offensive. It's just an example. The point I'm making is that no string of characters should be inherintly offensive. The context should be what's important. I'm not suggesting we use explatives all the time or that we use "hate speech" with squeaky clean language. All I'm saying is context is what is important. | |
| Apr 17, 2013 at 16:56 | comment | added | ypercubeᵀᴹ | @ryan: I don't think anyone said you did. | |
| Apr 17, 2013 at 16:55 | comment | added | ypercubeᵀᴹ | @Caleb: I 100% agree on that. SO chat should not be a place for hate speech. I hope you see that my point on the answer is how people may get banned, not for hate speech but because others mistake a swear word for hate speech. A swear word, is not always and 100% of the time hate speech. | |
| Apr 17, 2013 at 16:52 | comment | added | Ryan | @Zane There is morality involved. Also I don't see anywhere that I have spit out hateful angry thoughts using squeaky clean language. I have expressed my dissenting opinion (and tried to do so politely), and was asked by Lamak if I could elaborate on it. Anyways it appears that I am in the minority opinion here, and my comment about this post being offensive has been very misconstrued, which has lead to a very off topic conversation. So I will bow out now. | |
| Apr 17, 2013 at 16:50 | comment | added | Caleb | @Zane You'd probably get flagged for that too (and you should). It might not result in an automatic ban, since it's harder to write a filter for that than for four letter words, but SO (chat or otherwise) is no place for hate speech. | |
| Apr 17, 2013 at 16:44 | comment | added | Zane | @Ryan you are missing the point entirely. There is no I repeat no morality involved in the string of characters used to creat a sentence. Wheather or not I choose to use explatives does it really matter? If you start throwing out hatefull angry thoughts while using squeaky clean language is that somehow better than if I you an explative for how brilliant I found an answer that JNK had? | |
| Apr 17, 2013 at 16:43 | comment | added | Lamak | @ryan And if you found the language offensive and flagged it, then so be it. But this question and this answer is about curse words on chat. So, when you said "Give me a logical reason why you have to say F&(( stupid, instead of something inteligent" you are going off topic of this thread | |
| Apr 17, 2013 at 16:38 | comment | added | BoltClock's a Unicorn Mod | @Shog9: Is that you, ryan? | |
| Apr 17, 2013 at 16:38 | comment | added | Ryan | @JNK I'm not talking about chat. All of my comments here have been directed at the use of the word F******* in this answer. Here on meta, not on chat, not anywhere else. | |
| Apr 17, 2013 at 16:37 | history | edited | Shog9StaffMod | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Challenge accepted
|
| Apr 17, 2013 at 16:36 | comment | added | JNK | @ryan you are very wrong, there's not an explicit policy on it in chat. That's the point of this question! The top voted answer is a pretty liberal interpretation of "being respectful" from someone who is not very involved in the network. | |
| Apr 17, 2013 at 16:34 | comment | added | ypercubeᵀᴹ | @ryan: Sorry but I disagree. I haven't read any explicit policy that all swear words are never permitted anywhere, questions, comments, chatrooms and in any context whatsoever. Where is that policy stated? And where is that forbidden word list? The FAQ says that we should be polite to others. I never wanted anything but that. My concern is that banning people is exactly that, not polite (at least.) | |
| Apr 17, 2013 at 16:32 | comment | added | Ryan | @Lamak It was this line in his answer: "Even if his comment was f*** rude (which wasn't) I wouldn't want him banned." that I flagged the answer offensive for. There was no need for that in his answer. It added nothing to his argument, and that is a choice of words that I find offensive. | |
| Apr 17, 2013 at 16:30 | comment | added | Ryan | @JNK The onus is not on me, since it is already the policy of this network of sites that language of that nature is not allowed. | |
| Apr 17, 2013 at 16:28 | comment | added | Lamak | @ryan What makes you think that ypercube is saying that we should be allowed to say something like that?, moreso the comment that he is talking was inside a chat that wouldn't generally think of it as flag worthy. He is not defending rudeness, just the mindless acceptance of flags for comments that contain curse words in it | |
| Apr 17, 2013 at 16:27 | comment | added | JNK | @ryan That's not how free expression works. You don't have to justify USING words, you have to justify NOT using them. The onus is on YOU as the offended party to demonstrate that the words should be completely disallowed. Good luck with that one. | |
| Apr 17, 2013 at 16:26 | comment | added | Ryan | @Lamak I did flag it as offensive, that was just a mistake of word use on my part. | |
| Apr 17, 2013 at 16:26 | comment | added | Ryan | @JNK Why is it that if someone wants to keep a moral standard on the internet, and that standard comes in conflict with others view that they are suddenly 'butthurt'(which by the way is a horrible derogatory term, originating from the practice of anal rape in prisons.) I still fail to see how just because we are grownups that swearing adds anything to the content and constructiveness of a conversation? Give me a logical reason why you have to say F&(**( stupid, instead of something inteligent like 'your comment is completely asinine' which conveys much more meaning without being offensive. | |
| Apr 17, 2013 at 16:25 | comment | added | ThiefMaster Mod | "I f*cking hate CoffeeScript, it ........" - while I would never post this on a SE site (no matter if moderator or not) I would not have a big problem with posting it in a chatroom where none of the regulars have any problem with it. | |
| Apr 17, 2013 at 16:24 | comment | added | BoltClock's a Unicorn Mod | @ryan: I'm sorry? | |
| Apr 17, 2013 at 16:24 | comment | added | Lamak | @ryan The you should've flagged it as offensive, not "not constructive", since the answer is a valid point of view for this discussion that wasn't expressed on previous answers. As you said yourself, you found the language offensive, so you should've used the right flag | |
| Apr 17, 2013 at 16:21 | comment | added | JNK | @ryan just because you personally find it offensive doesn't mean it's generally offensive. It offends me that you don't capitalize your name but I'm not pretending to speak for everyone on that account. This is a web network for grownups, and sometimes in the real world grownups use words that others may be offended by. Those that are offended can choose to either get butthurt or move on. I recommend moving on since, you know, this is the internet and all. | |
| Apr 17, 2013 at 16:20 | comment | added | Ryan | @Lamak It's not constructive in that he uses the very language that is being discussed. There was no need for that. He also describes user behavior that is considered offensive by enough people on the network that it's not a surprise to anyone that the behavior got banned. I clarified that my flagging of his answer was not a joke, since there has been so much meta-talk about flagging in this conversation. Not that his answer was a joke. Sorry I wasn't clear about that. | |
| Apr 17, 2013 at 16:16 | comment | added | Lamak | @ryan Can you elaborate why is this answer not constructive?, and where is ypercube saying that the flag is a joke? | |
| Apr 17, 2013 at 16:14 | comment | added | Ryan | I have flagged your answer, it is not constructive, and it's never constructive to swear. The flag isn't a joke, I find that language offensive. I also have never understood what if any value it added to any type of conversation. | |
| Apr 17, 2013 at 16:06 | comment | added | ypercubeᵀᴹ | @Caleb: First, I flagged the comment, not the user. I thought it was offensive but later changed my mind. OK, I was hasty, too, guilty as charged. But I did not know that a flagged comment would result in ban. I thought it would result in the removal of the comment (as it happens in flagged answers or comments in questions). | |
| Apr 17, 2013 at 15:58 | comment | added | Caleb | Why did you flag the user's comment if you didn't want moderators to do something about it? Or, what did you expect the mods to do about it other than ban the user? And why, after having been banned once, did the same user fail to learn from said ban and repeat the behavior a few days later? It's not that hard to avoid four letter words. | |
| Apr 17, 2013 at 15:53 | comment | added | Kermit | To me, it's like saying "I want him to get him in trouble, but I don't want anyone to know." Just don't flag. | |
| Apr 17, 2013 at 15:53 | comment | added | swasheck | This is the problem and the swearing is the symptom. The auto-ban is pretty draconian - especially when a flag is accepted from a mod who is unfamiliar with the site into which they are being "summoned." | |
| Apr 17, 2013 at 15:46 | history | answered | ypercubeᵀᴹ | CC BY-SA 3.0 |