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29Re. the 3rd point, I think expanding this might be the key to solving the current problem: "all moderation tools and privileges operate in all rooms and they will be used consistently to enforce a global, objective, not-room-determined code of conduct." I do think that code of conduct should be "if we'd delete it in a comment on Meta, we'll delete it here".Undo– Undo2015-12-10 00:46:34 +00:00Commented Dec 10, 2015 at 0:46
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92Let's solve a few easier problems first, @CandiedMango: if we can agree on a universal language, a universal culture, and a universal religion, then we can start talking about a universal set of vulgarities.Shog9– Shog9 StaffMod2015-12-10 00:49:07 +00:00Commented Dec 10, 2015 at 0:49
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23I trust in The Great Compiler.CandiedMango– CandiedMango2015-12-10 00:50:17 +00:00Commented Dec 10, 2015 at 0:50
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38@Kev, It sounds easy, till you realize that different people define "Be Nice" in different ways. It's pretty much all downhill from there.Ryan– Ryan2015-12-10 00:56:11 +00:00Commented Dec 10, 2015 at 0:56
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72I don't know if this should be an answer, but one problem I see (and I know others see it, too) is the idea of "room culture". Some groups of users feel like they function well together and have agreed-upon standards established independently. This is defended as "room culture", and it can be a problem, like when new folks walk in and see (in some cases) things like profanity. When moderation goes against this "culture", they get equally up in arms - especially when the moderator isn't from the room's home site. That attitude is one big problem I see, and it's inherent in the system.HDE 226868– HDE 2268682015-12-10 01:04:06 +00:00Commented Dec 10, 2015 at 1:04
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43@HDE226868 - Hear hear! Chat is not for a clique of regulars, it is for whoever happens to click the "chat" link. "Relax, everyone here knows my [insert type of offensive material here] comments are meant in jest" just doesn't fly. If it would cause offense to a significant portion of the theoretical population, don't say it.Wad Cheber– Wad Cheber2015-12-10 01:06:03 +00:00Commented Dec 10, 2015 at 1:06
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25@HDE226868 Room Culture should be allowed, but out-of-hand room culture shouldn't. I shouldn't have to be punished for calling anything stupid, especially if it's a one-off incident. In fact, this gives me an idea...Zizouz212– Zizouz2122015-12-10 01:14:44 +00:00Commented Dec 10, 2015 at 1:14
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54Chat has been the red-headed stepchild... Hey! Why the ginger hate? 8-)Nathaniel is protesting– Nathaniel is protesting2015-12-10 02:06:33 +00:00Commented Dec 10, 2015 at 2:06
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15There was a proposal made a while back (and then duped by me) that chat flags don't show up for the entire network right away; they would stay confined to the originating room for a period of time unless unactioned. It was well-received, but now I'm not so sure that's a good idea after all. That just enables "room culture" to get around the rules.Buns Glazing– Buns Glazing2015-12-10 04:31:57 +00:00Commented Dec 10, 2015 at 4:31
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18This discussion was heavily motivated by the realization that we can't fix tooling without fixing culture, @GnomeSlice; a sick culture and good tooling just gets sicker faster.Shog9– Shog9 StaffMod2015-12-10 04:38:38 +00:00Commented Dec 10, 2015 at 4:38
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15There are some excellent rooms, and many excellent people using chat, @BGM. For that reason alone, it is worth putting some though into this.Shog9– Shog9 StaffMod2015-12-10 04:52:05 +00:00Commented Dec 10, 2015 at 4:52
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25@WadCheber Chat is a clique of regulars. The regulars left the SF Comms room and ::tumbleweed::. Over a year and still ::tumbleweed::. No regulars no chat.user147520– user1475202015-12-10 07:11:08 +00:00Commented Dec 10, 2015 at 7:11
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23My 2 cents: if StackExchange chat is massively dissimilar to other internet chat systems (which are often assumed to be private messaging) then don't call it chat. The analogy is broken if the features don't match. And privacy (or lack of it) is a pretty key feature.Yvonne Aburrow– Yvonne Aburrow2015-12-10 14:34:24 +00:00Commented Dec 10, 2015 at 14:34
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13@Kitler Because “bad things happen in the dark”.tchrist– tchrist2015-12-10 15:46:28 +00:00Commented Dec 10, 2015 at 15:46
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11TL;DR - Nothing on the Internet can ever be taken back so censor yourself before you do something you will regret.user148287– user1482872015-12-11 04:32:04 +00:00Commented Dec 11, 2015 at 4:32
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