Timeline for We're more aggressively enforcing self-moderation in chat
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| May 3, 2018 at 16:16 | comment | added | Draco18s no longer trusts SE | @user1306322 You're right that it could have been about an actual troll, but it wasn't. And even if it was...you're right, its not appropriate even if it had been an actual troll. | |
| May 3, 2018 at 14:39 | comment | added | user1306322 | @Draco18s I've read that part and my take on it is that some troll came in, since it's a new account, so they treated them like a troll and made fun of their allegedly trolling efforts. Making fun of others is not a noble thing to do in any scenario, but it's an especially risky thing to do if there's a large change it wasn't a troll, just a slightly misguided user. I know it's pretty common for people in very high throughput rooms to become "toxic" like that, basically 90% something like that happens, it was a troll. But that 10% though. So yes, we have to fight this "toxic by default" mood. | |
| May 2, 2018 at 21:55 | comment | added | Draco18s no longer trusts SE | @BenjaminGruenbaum Did you happen to read far enough down the transcript to see what they said about the guy after they kicked him from the chat? Helpful link "Chat was mean to me" "inb4 come back in and calls room jerks" "I think he's gonna use the term bigots" "I can hear him heavily breathing and angrily typing it right now" "He just said 'thanks for that folks' [and was kicked again]." So welcoming. | |
| May 1, 2018 at 9:13 | comment | added | Rob Moir | It's kinda amusing that SO has spent years essentially ignoring chat and ignoring people imploring them to improve the tools to make moderation easier then suddenly goes all out nuclear. That's what happens when you neglect a feature. Don't do that. | |
| May 1, 2018 at 6:57 | comment | added | Cerbrus | Regarding the tweet: No, the relevant room wasn't contacted prior to, or after that tweet. | |
| Apr 30, 2018 at 20:56 | comment | added | Rubio | Someone, inartfully perhaps, expressed their nonetheless completely appropriate opinion that the conversation they walked in on made either them, a reasonable person, or both, uncomfortable— particularly given the current climate on SO, which they referenced by linking to the blog post. Sure, that topic ended, but it wasn't ended with "Oops, you're right"; it was instead replaced with what amounted to "Who are you to tell us what we can talk about here? You troll! Get out!". An appropriate calling-out, even expressed inartfully, is no excuse for inappropriate defensiveness or abrasiveness. | |
| Apr 30, 2018 at 20:51 | comment | added | Rubio | A good way to look at this is, would a hypothetical reasonable person be likely to be uncomfortable or be offended by encountering the subject of conversation and/or the way the subject is being expressed, in that setting? I have heard many people express the idea that they no longer visit Room X because the conversation there frequently makes them uncomfortable; that's a shame. People shouldn't have to know about a site's rules or policies or Github to understand why conversation a reasonable person would find out of place is in fact "ok". | |
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| Apr 30, 2018 at 18:45 | comment | added | Benjamin Gruenbaum | Also, it's really important for me to note I am neither agreeing or disagreeing with your criticism in the comment above - I am just hoping to provide some context around it. | |
| Apr 30, 2018 at 18:43 | comment | added | Benjamin Gruenbaum | @Randal'Thor I'd like to point out to the fact discussion was stopped pretty immediately - what pursued was discussion about the discussion itself. The offending discussion and what that mod is talking about is whether or not discussion of sex is allowed which can technically constitute a discussion of sex but there is a big difference in my opinion. I agree it wasn't perfect and there is some unfortunate historical context - the room was recently trolled (quite a lot) by people pretending to be new comers but who were actually the same repeat troll. | |
| Apr 30, 2018 at 18:40 | comment | added | user400654 | I think it's also rather important in my opinion to distinguish between "This offends me" and "this might offend someone". The latter can be said about just about anything. The user didn't enter the javascript chat claiming that the discussion offends him, he said it was unwelcoming. | |
| Apr 30, 2018 at 18:40 | comment | added | Andras Deak -- Слава Україні | @Randal'Thor yeah, I wasn't objecting to this specific instance, only the absolute :) I agree with your line-to-be-but-never-will-be drawn. | |
| Apr 30, 2018 at 18:37 | comment | added | Rand al'Thor | @Andras True, that statement was too absolute. As always, there's a line to be drawn between "X is offended by Y spouting racist memes" and "X is offended by Y using the word 'tomato' in conversation". A hard-and-fast rule that claiming to be offended is enough to get a topic change will never fly, because it could be abused by trolls. But don't you think prostitutes (especially on a programming site) falls on the "could reasonably be offending" side of the line? | |
| Apr 30, 2018 at 18:32 | comment | added | Andras Deak -- Слава Україні | @Randal'Thor "If someone (even or especially a newcomer!) is offended by a topic of conversation, people should drop it and change topic". I'm not so sure that this is so obvious. It might be true on SO chat because we still have Be Nice and the parent site is purely professional, but in a generic community standpoint if you enter a room full of people who are all riding unicycles and you hate unicycles, you should rather leave. Now, this is an awful strawman; I just wanted to note that the fact that someone perceived something as inappropriate shouldn't automatically imply a shut-down. | |
| Apr 30, 2018 at 17:06 | comment | added | Rand al'Thor | I do agree that communication with local admins (mods/ROs) is preferable, but in the context of that tweet and the linked chat conversation, I think the room acted really badly. If someone (even or especially a newcomer!) is offended by a topic of conversation, people should drop it and change topic rather than arguing and accusing that person of trolling. I was especially disappointed to see this response by a moderator. | |
| Apr 30, 2018 at 15:55 | history | edited | Journeyman Geek | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Apr 30, 2018 at 14:55 | history | answered | Journeyman Geek | CC BY-SA 3.0 |