Timeline for We're more aggressively enforcing self-moderation in chat
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| May 4, 2018 at 3:40 | comment | added | aparente001 | @Ash - Glad to hear it! Thanks for clarifying. | |
| May 4, 2018 at 3:38 | comment | added | user168476 | Random note: your point 5 is not correct - it doesn't take three flags for a mod or someone with 10k network wide to be notified, it only takes one (using the flag button on the right side of a message). If you use the "flag for moderator" by clicking the right side dropdown of a message, then all mods are notified right away (but 10k users are not). | |
| May 3, 2018 at 15:43 | comment | added | aparente001 | This is especially a problem when gender issues are asked about in a question. | |
| May 3, 2018 at 15:41 | comment | added | aparente001 | @user5389107 - English is the common language used in almost all SE sites; the pronouns that create problems occasionally for some participants are not the ones the participant uses to refer to him or herself. Those are easy: I, me. Problems can arise in a male-dominated site, if participant X wants to remain gender-undefined, but someone else starts referring to X as he or she. In a male-dominated site, Statement A can be interpreted completely differently by many people, if it is perceived as having been written by a woman, than it is perceived as having been written by a man. | |
| May 3, 2018 at 6:43 | comment | added | Magisch | I don't understand why people need to state their gender identity at all in a more supported manner. We have the profile for that. Also nobody is obligated or can be obligated to use chosen pronouns, as people can @username someone instead in any case. This is a non-issue, since no SE format requires you to even use pronouns at all. Not that I'm particularly averse to chosen pronouns, but SE is a large site with users from all areas of the world and only a very small part of the world has even recognized the use of chosen pronouns at all, so that is an unnecessary source of conflict. | |
| May 3, 2018 at 4:03 | history | edited | aparente001 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| May 3, 2018 at 3:58 | comment | added | aparente001 | ... also be a misuse of the Mayday button. Basically, with privileges (such as the privilege to wander around chat rooms freely, or to be able to hit the Mayday button) comes responsibility (including the obligation not to cry wolf). // Re the last point: if you've never experienced a suspension, then to understand this proposal you'd have to use some intense empathy to understand how the suspended person feels when the moderators are too frustrated to listen, respond, and explain with the degree of patience that the suspended person likely needs, to move past their feelings of injustice. | |
| May 3, 2018 at 3:51 | comment | added | aparente001 | ... which is what I understood we were being asked to think about and work on. // Re Point 4: taking time to teach takes time. I would be happy to participate in a proof-of-concept initiative. // Re Point 5: If one wants to do away with a zero-tolerance-style model, which is basically how SE works, at the end of the day, then one needs to take a more graduated approach to discipline, whereby one shortens the leash when a participant's behavior shows that more support and less free rein is needed. Behavior that would trigger a shortening of the leash could be aggressiveness, but it could... | |
| May 3, 2018 at 3:46 | comment | added | aparente001 | @Kendra - Re: relevance of my first three points to the topic at hand: The blog post that got all of this started says, "Too many people experience Stack Overflow¹ as a hostile or elitist place, especially newer coders, women, people of color, and others in marginalized groups." // I get the feeling you haven't come across gender issues at SE -- I'm glad for you. I'm not going to write here about specific gender issues I have seen. My focus in this post is on what to do about them, ... | |
| May 2, 2018 at 20:50 | comment | added | Kendra | Point 4 would be next to impossible to truly implement in any meaningful way, as far as I can see. (If someone proves me wrong, I would be glad to be wrong!) Point 5 would be abused "Oh, they said something off-topic MAYDAY!", point 6 seems to neglect the point that chat is basically the water cooler of SE- You can talk about non-work related topics at the water cooler, though you still have a code of conduct to follow. I plain don't follow point 7 and how it would be implemented. | |
| May 2, 2018 at 20:46 | comment | added | Kendra | I really don't, at all, feel like your first three points have anything to do with the topic at hand. What does people dealing with their gender identity on the internet have to do with self-moderating chat? Especially on a network where gender tends to be one of the least important details about a user... | |
| May 2, 2018 at 20:29 | history | edited | aparente001 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| May 2, 2018 at 20:24 | history | answered | aparente001 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |