Timeline for answer to Post for clarifications on the updated pronouns FAQ by WBT
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| Nov 18, 2019 at 17:47 | history | edited | WBT | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Nov 8, 2019 at 21:54 | comment | added | DoctorDestructo | Just to follow up on my previous comments: it appears SO is going to stop just short of cleaning up this mess. I apologize for defending them, and thank you for this post @WBT. I do think it's more of a protest than a serious request for clarification, but under the circumstances, I think protest is justified. | |
| Nov 8, 2019 at 20:59 | history | edited | WBT | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Nov 8, 2019 at 20:36 | history | edited | WBT | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Nov 8, 2019 at 16:54 | history | edited | WBT | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Oct 28, 2019 at 15:16 | history | edited | WBT | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Oct 28, 2019 at 13:12 | history | edited | WBT | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Oct 26, 2019 at 19:02 | history | edited | WBT | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Oct 25, 2019 at 13:37 | comment | added | WBT | @DoctorDestructo Or at least remove the clear untruth. Monica has stated she thinks immediate reinstatement followed by some discussion process showing any violation is desired, but as the FAQ currently stands it tells readers something that is flat-out wrong. | |
| Oct 24, 2019 at 20:48 | comment | added | DoctorDestructo | @WBT You mean modify it so that it says "Yes, you should worry about getting banned"? No, they shouldn't do that. I thought you were suggesting it for rhetorical reasons. If Monica can live with the new CoC/FAQ, and is still interested in being a mod even after everything they've done to her, then they should reinstate her-- or, to put it your way, "update reality". Messing with the FAQ is the last thing they should do. | |
| Oct 24, 2019 at 20:43 | comment | added | divibisan | This just doesn't really seem relevant to the text of the FAQ. There's certainly reasonable reasons for people to distrust SE and feel afraid, but that's a bad thing. We shouldn't change the FAQ to codify that fear into law, but push SE to better live up to the commitments they made to fairness | |
| Oct 24, 2019 at 19:57 | comment | added | WBT | @DoctorDestructo Then you would seem to vote for the FAQ being edited in response to this post. Do you agree that would be a helpful improvement to the status quo? | |
| Oct 24, 2019 at 19:38 | comment | added | DoctorDestructo | @WBT I guess what I'm saying is, I'm glad they didn't put her back on the job before they had the CoC finalized. That could have led to a situation where they had to fire her again (if, for example, she said she could not in good conscience agree to the new rules). That wouldn't have gone over well with the community, even if they followed the rules this time. They kept us in the dark a long time before rolling out the revised CoC, but they did come through in the end. As far as I'm concerned, they bought another week. After that, it's time bring out the torches and pitchforks. | |
| Oct 24, 2019 at 19:24 | comment | added | WBT | @DoctorDestructo He said that, but then didn't do it. It would not take much time at all to do at least some of the things being discussed, like a correction statement or restoring mod privileges that never should have been removed in the first place (5 min!). Items that are fast & should be high priority (given the fallout) remaining undone is reason to think they won't be. Your point that it takes so long underscores that the FAQ as it stands is inconsistent w/reality, & at least one of the two needs to change to be consistent with the other. | |
| Oct 24, 2019 at 18:45 | comment | added | DoctorDestructo | The CTO of StackOverflow has acknowledged that the way Monica was treated was a mistake. He said, "We’ll be reaching out to her directly to apologize for the lack of process, privacy, and to discuss next steps." Do we have reason to believe that isn't going to happen? We know this company moves at a snail's pace; maybe they just need time to figure out what they're going to offer, and what they can accept. Monica seems like a reasonable person, so she probably never would have agreed to that last CoC if they had offered to reinstate her. I'm glad they waited (but they better get on it soon). | |
| Oct 24, 2019 at 18:12 | comment | added | WBT | @DoctorDestructo Asking questions about the CoC can get you kicked out. So can supporting someone who that has already happened to. The point I see reflected in your comment is that violating these rules regarding not using the right pronouns, or asking questions about the policy, can get you kicked out, which is contrary to what the FAQ currently indicates. Either the FAQ or the reality can change to make the two more consistent, and that inconsistency is what this post tries to address. | |
| Oct 24, 2019 at 17:53 | comment | added | DoctorDestructo | I really hope they look into getting Monica back on board, but I do think it made sense to get an acceptable CoC in place first. They need to know that she'll follow the rules before they hire her back, and she needs to know what the rules are before she can agree to follow them. No one has ruled out reinstating her, have they? | |
| Oct 24, 2019 at 16:23 | comment | added | WBT | Same here. If anybody wants they can add me to this list of users no longer contributing substantive content at least while the status quo remains. (However, as a non-mod, I may not be eligible for that list.) That's also why I'm not that concerned about consequences if I myself get banned for posting this Answer, which might happen. | |
| Oct 24, 2019 at 16:18 | comment | added | Bryan Rayner | Honestly at this point I have lost all motivation to contribute to Stack Overflow. My time can be better spent doing my work and being with my family, I don't need the headache of wondering whether or not I'm being polite enough when helping strangers. | |
| Oct 24, 2019 at 15:53 | history | answered | WBT | CC BY-SA 4.0 |