Timeline for answer to Is everything OK at Stack Exchange now? by nvoigt
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| Dec 3, 2020 at 8:12 | history | bounty awarded | gnat | ||
| Nov 22, 2020 at 20:19 | comment | added | Kevin | Honestly, the only part of this I disagree with is your assertion that things used to be good. See for example this. The reality is, things have always been bad. It's just gotten a lot more obvious in recent years. | |
| Nov 18, 2020 at 18:18 | comment | added | nvoigt | ... everyone makes mistakes. But when you hire people to cover them up, call them "perceived mistakes" and apologize for having given you this "perception", instead of apologizing for actually making the mistake, that is the point where an honest mistake that we all make and all can forgive and forget turns into an intentional insult. | |
| Nov 18, 2020 at 18:16 | comment | added | nvoigt | Well, "messaging professionals" are people who's job it is to take a shitty message and make it smell like roses. If the job description starts or ends with "marketing" or "communications" that's what I mean. A professional message on the other hand would have been rough and direct, but truthful. A professional message would have been "I'm really sorry I messed that up. We will immediately reinstate her. Again, sorry." That would not have been as shiny or polished or lawyeresque, but it would have been the plain truth and we would have accepted it. Because... | |
| Nov 18, 2020 at 17:35 | comment | added | This_is_NOT_a_forum | What do you mean by "the days of professional messages by tech professionals are long gone"? Can you elaborate a little bit? E.g., it is set up as the opposite of "messaging professionals". What do you mean by that? | |
| Nov 18, 2020 at 17:34 | history | edited | This_is_NOT_a_forum | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Active reading [<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald's>].
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| Nov 18, 2020 at 15:13 | comment | added | the.Small.axe | I liked it a lot better when it was a tech site for techies run by techies This has always been my impression of SE/SO, as simply a user of the site. That's why I was so shocked reading through these events, I couldn't understand how a "tech site run by techies" would be capable of this. But I'm realizing, as others have said, that I just missed the switch to what SE is now. I guess SE has gone the route of many others before it (Apple, Google, etc), except there is almost a greater evil in the fact that this corporation still has to "use" its "community" for its success | |
| Nov 18, 2020 at 11:34 | comment | added | fedorqui 'SO stop harming' | Wow, you have put it in a harsh but very clear way, This site is no longer the first choice because it's a great choice. This site is still the first choice because there is *no alternative*. is something I felt but I somehow hadn't been able to put in words. | |
| Nov 18, 2020 at 10:41 | comment | added | NoDataDumpNoContribution | Me too, but the past is gone and will not come back. The future is investors wanting revenues. I also don't like to constantly complain about things that are unlikely to change. If there is a single good thing coming out of 2019 here it's more realism. The company isn't the company that is was anymore. Part of the community that is gone is gone and the future is a top down directed mentoring site. On the basis of this every involved party can judge much better how to best invest its time and energy. And maybe tech sites for techies run by techies will happen again in the future, who knows. | |
| Nov 18, 2020 at 10:17 | comment | added | nvoigt | I happily use Google, Facebook, Apple and Amazon. I do not consider myself a member of the "Google, Facebook, Apple, Amazon" community though. They are not communities. Likewise, I have never been banned from "Google, Facebook, Apple, Amazon" either. You are right, SE tries very hard to shed that community aspect and become another money making machine. And I don't like that. I liked it a lot better when it was a tech site for techies run by techies. | |
| Nov 18, 2020 at 8:59 | comment | added | NoDataDumpNoContribution | I agree with the analysis, but let's face it, that only puts SO Inc. into the company of all other corporations in the world. For Google, Facebook, Apple, Amazon and all others, making money is the main goal. It's never only a side effect. And they are all very successful (commercially). The first years of SO may just have been an exception of the rule in that regard. If one doesn't feel comfortable with it, the only possibility is to actively support an alternative. Competition might actually also the only way to change SO for good. It's this or accepting the reality here, I'd say. | |
| Nov 18, 2020 at 7:13 | history | answered | nvoigt | CC BY-SA 4.0 |