Timeline for answer to Practical effects of the October 2023 layoff by Makoto
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| Oct 19, 2023 at 9:08 | comment | added | Makoto | @wizzwizz4: Well, that's good for the moderators then. Maybe one day us non-mods might be able to share in that privilege. | |
| Oct 19, 2023 at 6:48 | comment | added | curiousdannii | If only there were sites that aligned with the new CMs' hobbies, it's not like we have over a 100 of them... | |
| Oct 19, 2023 at 6:02 | comment | added | Robotnik | @wizzwizz4 I feel like CMs have to also be regular users on their accounts on at least one site (but preferably multiple) for them to build any sort of ongoing presence with the wider community - Catija and V2Blast had that in spades. Kinda hard to do if you're coming into Stack without any prior interaction though :/ | |
| Oct 18, 2023 at 21:17 | comment | added | wizzwizz4 | @Makoto Some remaining CMs have a similar rapport with some moderators… but it's going to be a few years before anyone's rapport with the wider community reaches Catija's. (I don't even know if the conditions for developing a rapport like that still exist.) | |
| Oct 18, 2023 at 20:13 | comment | added | Makoto | @Philippe: The struggle that is shown here with CMs is that they're just not visible to us anymore. We don't feel their presence when interacting with us and it takes years to build a rapport in this fashion. I categorically reject this papering over what has been lost with "well, everyone in the room is championing for the community". No, it has not felt like that. It has not felt like that in a very, very long time. | |
| Oct 18, 2023 at 20:09 | comment | added | Makoto | @Philippe: I do not trust that anyone on the team advocates for the actual long-term members of the site. It has not been demonstrated in a measurable way that our voice is really being heard or that our concerns are being addressed or that our feedback counts. While I know that Catija couldn't promise anything, if nothing else she was pretty no nonsense about it, and owned up where things fell short. Everyone else has been utterly transparent and largely in the background to this point and has not owned up when they let us down. | |
| Oct 18, 2023 at 19:50 | comment | added | Philippe StaffMod | ....They serve as your voice in planning meetings and work with Product Managers to syntheize your feedback, respond to it, and push for changes that will benefit you. But going foward, we need to do a better job of sharing more about our liaision work and what that intails - and that's on me. Teams are regrouping right now and figuring out coverage but Rosie is planning to share more details with you about liaision work in the upcoming weeks. | |
| Oct 18, 2023 at 19:50 | comment | added | Philippe StaffMod | Everyone impacted whether on the CM or any other team is a great loss. I do want to point out though that every member of the CM team does as @makoto says "straddle between the difficulties of communicating to the community and representing the company." Everyone on this team advocates for the Community both internally and externally. For over a year now Community Managers have been formally liaisioning with teams across Product, Engineering, Design, etc... | |
| Oct 17, 2023 at 1:34 | comment | added | Makoto | @JourneymanGeek: Yes, that's well established. But like any bad relationship there's some irrational thing that causes you to cling onto hope, and one of those CMs was that. With her gone, it all feels hollow now. | |
| Oct 17, 2023 at 1:19 | comment | added | Journeyman Geek Mod | The company hasn't been on the 'right' track for many years, as evidenced by the boom and bust cycles as they chase the next shiny thing. | |
| Oct 17, 2023 at 0:23 | history | answered | Makoto | CC BY-SA 4.0 |