Timeline for answer to Will you help build our new visual identity? by SPArcheon
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| Jul 17, 2025 at 11:45 | comment | added | roundabout | Also: <khan-tw.medium.com/…> | |
| Jul 17, 2025 at 11:39 | comment | added | roundabout | @ThomasMarkov I think the very reason that lured them into picking this stupid black on orange is that it passes WCAG contrast, but that formula is flawed. See: <bounteous.com/insights/2019/03/22/…> | |
| Jul 16, 2025 at 17:33 | comment | added | JonH | Maybe Piper should of made this post so we could understand what is being asked for? | |
| Jul 12, 2025 at 19:15 | comment | added | Thomas Markov | @Piper It really seems like we’re voting on two themes that are obviously going to fail accessibility checks as is, and will then have to overhauled into something we didn’t vote for. I’m having a hard time believing this vote even matters since I know it’s going to be substantially changed later. | |
| Jul 11, 2025 at 22:35 | comment | added | David | I think the clashing colors are actually deliberate. I found other clues to the meaning in the artwork, but they're in graphic-designer-speak, so I took the liberty of translating to English. | |
| Jul 11, 2025 at 19:29 | comment | added | starball Mod | about the black + dark red thing, just for my understanding (I'm not very familiar with the topic of colour accessibility), with the wikipedia link, is the primarily-relevant section you want to highlight the part on protan red-green colour-blindness? and another question for my understanding- could this be solved by having a different version of the logos and text display that has a high-contrast outline when the user prefers high-contrast? | |
| Jul 10, 2025 at 21:40 | comment | added | user405010 | @Piper Please. I don’t care what the proper internal term is, and I am pretty sure just about everyone else that you asked to vote doesn’t either. Whether the proper term is "placeholder" or „full marketing color palette" or whatever, it’s absolutely not clear that we are voting on such a thing instead of a "product palette" or "final colors" or whatever. | |
| Jul 10, 2025 at 21:23 | comment | added | Piper Staff | @MisterMiyagi I did not say they were placeholders. They are the full marketing color palette which typically has more colors than the product palette. We wanted your thoughts as soon as possible, so you have the earliest iterations that have not seen product hands yet. | |
| Jul 10, 2025 at 16:05 | comment | added | SPArcheon | @Piper please refer to Rob post too... It was the company that included the palette into the blog post, presenting them as part of the choice. So.... trying to tell me that they haven't got thru accessibility testing yet and more importantly that it was not about the palette "You are being asked about how the car is talked about"... seems quite funny at best, insulting at worst. Please, don't make a fool of us. The palette were presented as a relevant part of the choice. | |
| Jul 10, 2025 at 16:04 | comment | added | user405010 | @Piper We aren't? Because it definitely looks like we are asked to vote for two options including a colour scheme each. The blog even explicitly talks about the palettes. There is no indication whatsoever that these are placeholders. | |
| Jul 10, 2025 at 16:00 | comment | added | SPArcheon | @Piper I have to be honest... this seems a GREAT way to make the choice completely meaningless (since no one but you knew what the choice was about in the first place) and thus be able to... do what you already decided while claiming that user input was listened to. Picture me impressed, but... You have to do better than the blog post to make it clear that the choice is not about the "palette". Oh, and wonder what... those palette are mentioned in the blog too... Guess that the option included those too then? | |
| Jul 10, 2025 at 15:56 | comment | added | SPArcheon | sorry @Piper, this is not what is happening. I am being given two picture, without you even explaining what I should focus on and told to choose one. Then you will do something and give me a different picture, based on your "checks". First, I hope you don't need some checks to tell you black on red isn't a good choice, so I question the care the company put in posting this. Second, you are now telling me that the two options aren't even meant to be UI / theming choices but instead "pick what you want us to focus on" WITHOUT any clear explanation of this in the original post. | |
| Jul 10, 2025 at 15:50 | comment | added | Piper Staff | @sparcheon You are not being asked to choose the car, you are being asked to choose how the car is talked about and seen in the market. Based on that, we within product will take pieces of that and use it to build the car. | |
| Jul 10, 2025 at 15:43 | history | edited | M-- | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jul 10, 2025 at 15:28 | comment | added | wizzwizz4 | @Piper The fact you're even saying the words "product design accessibility checks" shows that your entire team needs remedial accessibility training. | |
| Jul 10, 2025 at 15:06 | comment | added | Zoe - Save the data dump | @ꓢPArcheon Because, as usual, accessibility and considering the people who actually have to use the design rather than just look at it in a powerpoint presentation at a conference where CEOs talk about who spent the most money on AI, isn't a priority. No real answers will come from digging deeper, because this is just how SE does things now - think about all the nice features first, then maybe perhaps implement the basic ones at the very end. See the data dump, which still doesn't have a "download all" button, a "download main+meta" button, nor a process for manually requesting it | |
| Jul 10, 2025 at 15:04 | comment | added | SPArcheon | @Piper [cont] for Celestia sake, do you think the average restaurant prints their menu before checking if their staff can cook the dishes they already sold??? | |
| Jul 10, 2025 at 15:03 | comment | added | SPArcheon | @Piper May I ask you a question... Suppose you are a car vendor. Please place these two activities in the correct order A) "check if the cars models you are selling exist and doesn't explode when you turn it" on and B) "get the customer to pick a car model from your catalogue"..... Do you see the issue??? WHY are you performing the "Design accessibility checks" AFTER releasing a "pick your choice" pool to your users????? | |
| Jul 10, 2025 at 14:57 | comment | added | Zoe - Save the data dump | "Accessibility has been at the top of our requirements list for this project from the start" - apparently not enough for this to be considered in the design in the first place. Starting with something that's the opposite of accessible and working back to something that is, is a horrible way to design something if you legitimately want it to be accessible to people. This is not a matter of a high-level choice, this is a matter of what should be the frontline of your design efforts rather than an afterthought | |
| Jul 10, 2025 at 14:52 | comment | added | David Longworth Staff | Accessibility has been at the top of our requirements list for this project from the start, these high-level overviews will undergo more development once we settle on a final choice. Mentioned in the post, these are marketing assets - how this identity translates into the product experience is still to be explored. Finally, I just wanted to make clear these overview images are also somewhat artificial as you’re seeing a ‘zoomed out view’ of elements that would never likely be paired up in real life applications. | |
| Jul 10, 2025 at 14:52 | comment | added | Piper Staff | These have yet to go through the product design accessibility checks. I can assure you that it will happen before these make it to the sites. | |
| Jul 10, 2025 at 14:48 | comment | added | Spevacus StaffMod | I'm red-green colorblind and I don't feel like these colors are too bad for me. I think anyone would feel like a dark forefront on a dark-ish orange background would strain a little bit, though, and agree with that. My biggest problem with the color choices is the need to have a big smattering of colors (e.g. these images) with no discernible purpose other than to be visually "loud". | |
| Jul 10, 2025 at 14:47 | history | edited | terdon | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
"thru" isn't actually an English word.
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| Jul 10, 2025 at 14:45 | comment | added | Bryan Krause | I often throw palettes I'm using through color-blindness.com/coblis-color-blindness-simulator - I'm not personally a fan of these colors but I'm not seeing any issues with color blindness. Actually I think they look a lot better in the dichromatic views through my trichromatic eyes than the originals do through my trichromatic eyes. | |
| Jul 10, 2025 at 14:22 | comment | added | Thomas Owens | I don't think I have any vision issues, beside being nearsighted. If these colors are rolled out, I don't think I could use the network. And I use light mode everywhere because I like brightness. It would probably drive me away if it was as bad as the color schemes look. | |
| Jul 10, 2025 at 14:20 | history | answered | SPArcheon | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
