Timeline for answer to Concerns about recent Stack Exchange responses to users' suggestions by Shog9
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| Jun 3, 2020 at 15:29 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
Commonmark migration
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| Mar 20, 2017 at 9:34 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
replaced http://meta.stackoverflow.com/ with https://meta.stackoverflow.com/
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| Feb 10, 2017 at 1:11 | comment | added | BradleyDotNET | Seriously though, there's not enough green. The new achievements tab isn't nearly obvious enough when you get something :) Like, I didn't notice it even was green for a while. | |
| Feb 9, 2017 at 23:40 | comment | added | bright-star | I want to echo @Shog9's point that the markup is amenable to user modification, which is a legitimately collaborative posture. I haven't seen the site without an extra layer of CSS from userstyles for years now. | |
| Feb 9, 2017 at 14:07 | comment | added | DavidG | Regarding the number of votes, I would imagine that the users who are "upset" or don't like something are going to be the ones coming to raise their voices more than those who are OK with it. Most of the answers on the new nav are bug reports or "I don't like X". | |
| Feb 9, 2017 at 10:52 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | We expect you to be dismissive, Shog. If you weren't, you wouldn't be doing your job! But seriously, it's not at all surprising to me that the issues are with the design team. The design is what's in-your-face, it's what you have to see and deal with every time you use the site. If you disagree with one of the community team members or a moderator about a moderation decision or whatever, you can just move on and do something else on the site. It doesn't matter in the long run. OTOH, if you're frustrated & annoyed by the way the site looks & feels, you aren't going to want to spend time here. | |
| Feb 9, 2017 at 0:13 | comment | added | Shog9 StaffMod | It's tricky, @Andy. As you note, data alone isn't gonna make anyone agree with something they don't like; at worst, it's even a distraction. Something I had to learn the hard way was that you can't start with data; you gotta tell a good story for anything you want to do, use data to determine if it was a good idea, and even if your story is good, even if the data backs that up, a sizable minority of people are gonna hate your guts for doing it. So eventually, the time for talking has to end, or nothing ever gets done. | |
| Feb 8, 2017 at 22:56 | comment | added | Andy Mod | "I've said many more dismissive and uncaring things than the designers ever have" - This, and something Jon Ericson mentioned in chat earlier, had me thinking about my post and how I presented it. The community sees the forward facing SE employees (CMs, PMs, support staff) much more often. With that, we are most accustomed to seeing data backing up those posts. Even when the community disagrees with those, you've presented the data to justify why the decision was made. The lack of data and familiarity with the designers and coders makes it harder to understand the tone of others. | |
| Feb 8, 2017 at 22:09 | comment | added | user4639281 | I'm going to go with the more mysterious and outlandish: "of the 250 users who upvoted that answer, none of them had monitors", which is just as easy to prove. | |
| Feb 8, 2017 at 22:03 | comment | added | Shog9 StaffMod | Well, that's an area where a specific, objective report would be beneficial then, @baao. I personally use a bunch of userscripts on SO, and I've never had a problem tweaking things in the past - ain't like this is a Angular SPA with 50 levels of randomly-ID'd divs, the designers and devs here all take pride in clean markup with just the right amount of nested tables. So if you come across something awkward, post it up. | |
| Feb 8, 2017 at 21:51 | comment | added | Kendra | @baao The question becomes, however, how many of those votes were by users who could see the design? How many were users who actually just agreed without having opted in and truly tested the top bar? We can't judge that, so taking that full 250 and assuming it's all from people testing may be overestimating it. (Or it could be 100% correct, who knows?) ((I agree with the rest of your comment, just pointing out this small detail.)) | |
| Feb 8, 2017 at 21:49 | comment | added | baao | Right now, there are under a thousand people who can even see the designs, so about 250 votes (only for Steve's post, not counting the others) for a design change are even more percent than I'd have expected. However, I agree with you, and the essence of all of this is, you can never fully satisfy everybody in a big group of people. I also don't want design by group decission... But the design team could at least make it very easy for users to implement their own stylesheets, so everybody can have the little tweaks they like. That's one aspect of Steve's post nobody reacted to. | |
| Feb 8, 2017 at 21:33 | history | answered | Shog9StaffMod | CC BY-SA 3.0 |