Timeline for answer to Upcoming Feature: New Question Close Experience by Zoe - Save the data dump
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| Mar 31, 2020 at 9:42 | comment | added | user56reinstatemonica8 | Having edits automatically make the question visible again seems perfectly sensible. Having edits automatically make the question open again seems likely to be pretty self-defeating. | |
| Mar 30, 2020 at 3:00 | comment | added | Joshua | I'm not worried about it getting gamed. If it gets gamed badly it will be changed again. | |
| Mar 29, 2020 at 18:04 | comment | added | Zoe - Save the data dump | @poke Somewhat related, I'd like to see this suggestion implemented (TL;DR: give silver badges a reopen hammer on closed questions when edited). Some of the UX changes presented (up to the automatic reopening) seem like a great start though, but combining that with the question following, and letting silver badge holders hammer reopen when edited seems like a great idea. | |
| Mar 29, 2020 at 17:26 | comment | added | poke | Since there is now some notification/follow mechanism for questions: Wouldn’t it be enough to notify the users that originally closed the question and give them the ability to instantly reopen the question (alone) if they see that an edit salvaged the question? That would totally avoid having to rely on automatism that won’t work anyway. | |
| Mar 28, 2020 at 16:22 | comment | added | Zoe - Save the data dump | Not to forget about triage and the horrible H&I queue that comes from mishandling in triage. Reopening is practically of no concern relative to some of the other issues. | |
| Mar 28, 2020 at 16:10 | comment | added | matt | “Closing is something that needs help. 5k questions in the queue here isn't sustainable” Yes, exactly. And you are drawing exactly the wrong conclusion from that fact. Closing needs to be easier to do, and it needs to cause the question-asking bar to get much higher for that questioner, immediately. We don’t need you to “iterate”. We need you to respond to our needs using fact based statistical analysis and rational decision. | |
| Mar 28, 2020 at 8:34 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | There is never a good reason to allow a single edit by the original author to automatically re-open the question without any community review. There is a major conflict of interest here, not to mention a near guarantee of failure. No amount of added "smarts" are going to make it a good idea. It'll always be a "dumb check" because it's being done by a machine. | |
| Mar 28, 2020 at 3:16 | comment | added | Catija StaffMod | There's a lot of thinking yet to do and a lot of work going into this. The post here is not a final plan. It says that we're going to iterate and that's the plan. We're not assuming that we know the one best solution and we're going to do it and walk away. I've been working pretty closely with Des the last few weeks and it's been great to talk about my concerns and what we're working on that may have better/different solutions to meet the same need. Closing is something that needs help. 5k questions in the queue here isn't sustainable... there's a lot of interesting thinking we're doing. :) | |
| Mar 28, 2020 at 3:13 | comment | added | Catija StaffMod | How we define it is exactly what we're going to figure out. There's a lot of work to do and learning to gain before we will know what the best solution here is. Heck, there's always the chance that we'll try it, iterate on it a few times to see if we can make improvements, and it'll be a bust... but we want to work with y'all to find solutions that don't make the situation worse while also helping users not feel like a question being closed is permanent and unfixable. Yes, SF and SU questions are never on topic, regardless of editing... maybe we base reopen process on the close reason... | |
| Mar 27, 2020 at 21:31 | comment | added | gnat | there would be no need to add gibberish to break the system relying on automatic detection of substantial edits. I bet that top hit on google when someone enters "my homework was deleted at Stack Overflow" will become a recipe of an easiest way out, "copy some code from somewhere, indent it with 4 spaces and add it to your question and it will be immediately salvaged". And no automated system will be able to tell whether this is a random code dump or a relevant mcve. So this will essentially turn into increasing close vote threshold from 3 to 6 for vast majority of homework dumps | |
| Mar 27, 2020 at 20:53 | comment | added | TylerH | "What about people who edit their question to ask for a reason for the closing?" Indeed; I've seen plenty of edits to closed questions where the edit is a huge paragraph (or multiple paragraphs) complaining about incorrect closure or going into ridiculous detail about why the Q should not be closed... | |
| Mar 27, 2020 at 20:45 | history | answered | Zoe - Save the data dump | CC BY-SA 4.0 |