Timeline for Suggest: Difficulty Vote Feature [duplicate]
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| Aug 11, 2020 at 15:21 | comment | added | ggorlen | Also, keep in mind that "DV" typically means "downvote", which adds a lot of cognitive difficulty in reading this proposal. "if a Gold Badge user upvotes the DV" reads like "if a Gold Badge user upvotes the downvote". | |
| Aug 11, 2020 at 15:19 | comment | added | ggorlen | "There are two hard things in computer science: cache invalidation, naming things, and off-by-one errors." -- Jeff Atwood. Nearly all questions asked on the site are fundamentally easy and come down to help using a language feature or hitting a typical gotcha. SO isn't typically a platform for solving difficult research problems on the frontiers of computer science. And even if we were facing truly difficult problems, there's no obvious benefit in voting or bucketing them differently, and even if there was, nobody will agree on how. | |
| Aug 11, 2020 at 12:56 | history | closed |
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Duplicate of Filtering questions by "difficulty" / "level"? | |
| Aug 11, 2020 at 8:55 | vote | accept | holydragon | ||
| Aug 11, 2020 at 8:54 | comment | added | holydragon | I now realize that Gold Badge user is not a guaranteed expert of the field. However, my point is that I want bind the ability to DV with experts but there is no way to identify the experts of the field for each question in SO. So, this is not going to work. Thank you. | |
| Aug 11, 2020 at 8:45 | comment | added | Temani Afif | Gold Badge user cannot answer a question, it is considered "difficult" and hence worth a DV. --> I have a gold badge on the JS tag and I don't answer JS questions .. I simply got it because many CSS question are tagged with JS so I am far from being a JS expert | |
| Aug 11, 2020 at 8:16 | answer | added | James | timeline score: 7 | |
| Aug 11, 2020 at 8:04 | review | Close votes | |||
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| Aug 11, 2020 at 6:48 | comment | added | Martijn Pieters Mod | @holydragon that’s not what will happen. Your feature gives this power to all gold badge holders in a tag. Users will not arbitrarily hold back using it. The bounty system already covers the same use cases and at least incurs a cost for the “difficulty vote” (placing a bounty requires investing your rep), and that cost regulates their use. How would you regulate “difficulty votes”? | |
| Aug 11, 2020 at 6:39 | comment | added | VLAZ | @MartijnPieters I feel you made my point better than me. And before me. Just as another example - let's say I've a gold badge in a language. If there is a question that is algorithmic in nature, like "Find 3D area encompassed by some object" I wouldn't be able to answer it because I not that good with geometry. Yet that doesn't mean the question is hard because of the language. A user completely unfamiliar with the language could answer it had they the mathematical knowledge. So, what's "difficult" for a gold badge holder doesn't mean it's "difficult" overall. | |
| Aug 11, 2020 at 6:38 | comment | added | holydragon | @MartijnPieters It depends on individual expert. If one is not expert in the field, you should give no vote. If you consider yourself one and you think it is difficult or you cannot answer it then you should upvate DV so it makes sense. | |
| Aug 11, 2020 at 6:30 | comment | added | Martijn Pieters Mod | General purpose programming languages can be used for a very broad field of problems. Gold badge holders for a given language tags are not likely to be experts in every problem area however. E.g. I am a Python gold badge holder but you won’t find me answering machine learning questions, but not every Python machine learning question is “difficult”. On the other hand, I find Flask questions (a Python web framework), easy. Will all the Python machine learning experts have voted those questions as “difficult”? | |
| Aug 11, 2020 at 6:01 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | Your comment describes precisely what the bounty system is intended to resolve. | |
| Aug 11, 2020 at 5:37 | history | edited | holydragon | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Aug 11, 2020 at 5:34 | comment | added | holydragon | @philipxy I'm so sorry. I will update the information accordingly. | |
| Aug 11, 2020 at 5:33 | comment | added | philipxy | Your post doesn't say that. | |
| Aug 11, 2020 at 5:32 | comment | added | holydragon | @CodyGray There are several unanswered questions that have not been attractive enough or are difficult that made them still unanswered. This will make that kind of questions from this moment onward to be more attractive so that they will get answers. Since more questions get answered, shouldn't we, the community, care about it that it helps contributing to our knowledge base further more or less. | |
| Aug 11, 2020 at 5:27 | comment | added | holydragon | @philipxy If a Gold Badge user cannot answer a question, it is considered "difficult" and hence worth a DV. | |
| Aug 11, 2020 at 5:14 | comment | added | philipxy | Until you define "difficulty of a question" this doesn't say anything. | |
| Aug 11, 2020 at 4:45 | comment | added | holydragon | @ModusTollens So I scope the usage to only the Experts in the field (Gold Badge users). If experts say it is difficult, it "most likely" is really difficult. | |
| Aug 11, 2020 at 4:41 | comment | added | Modus Tollens | "Difficulty" is highly subjective. It doesn't depend on the question alone, but also on the experience level of individual users. | |
| Aug 11, 2020 at 4:16 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | Why do or should we care about the difficulty level of a question? Regardless of difficulty level, good questions and answers make a contribution to our knowledge base, which is the mission of this site. | |
| Aug 11, 2020 at 4:11 | comment | added | Alexei Levenkov | As if we don't have enough "I searched Netflix for two weeks and could not find an answer but you just downcasted my perfect question"... Now twice as much - one for downvotes, one for "you are complete ... elitist - this is very difficult question. And I'm not going even try to investigate myself as it is so difficult one". | |
| Aug 11, 2020 at 4:06 | comment | added | holydragon | @SamuelLiew 2. One possible way is that a gold badger upvotes DV to trigger another ceiling of reward and then answer the question by himself, so I put my opinion in the #1 of how it works to rule out this possibility. Another one is that people are going to wait for another ceiling to trigger by some gold badgers for more reward and then answer it when the reward is high enough, which is exactly what it is really intended for because they wouldn't bother solving this question any way if they don't want to. | |
| Aug 11, 2020 at 4:05 | comment | added | holydragon | @SamuelLiew 1. Gold Badgers, to me, are guaranteed experts in SO. If there is another way to identify them then feel free to suggest. Therefore, if a tag has no gold badgers then no one will be able to use the feature in such tag. | |
| Aug 11, 2020 at 3:58 | comment | added | samliew Mod | What if there's a new tag, or tags without gold badgers? What possible ways you can see your feature request being abused? Why can't we use existing methods (bounties) to draw attention to such questions? | |
| Aug 11, 2020 at 3:34 | history | asked | holydragon | CC BY-SA 4.0 |