Timeline for answer to Is this comment really "not nice"? by 0Valt
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| Sep 4, 2021 at 2:31 | comment | added | Trixie Wolf | "I am sure you didn't mean it to come off this way." I wouldn't go quite that far. They didn't think what they said would be perceived as rude by others, sure, but I'm unconvinced that this problem is "I don't understand how this English phrase sounds to others" and not something more fundamental like "I don't understand why people respond poorly when I talk down to them or assume incompetence, perhaps because it feels right to me when I do it, and I have a hard time envisioning the other person as competent and therefore cannot imagine myself on the receiving end of what I say". | |
| Sep 3, 2021 at 18:55 | comment | added | einpoklum | I'm downvoting, because it is illegitimate to criminalize comments based on the subjective perception of people who complain about them rather than on provable intent or on common / authoritatve interpretations of the comments. | |
| Sep 3, 2021 at 8:05 | comment | added | Peter Cordes | (Although perhaps other people see the term "cargo culting" differently, as another answer points out. Still, I think it's more the overall tone, and it would be fully possible to use that phrase in a non-rude comment to point out a trap someone might be falling into without making them sound dumb for not having recognized that fact.) | |
| Sep 3, 2021 at 7:59 | comment | added | Peter Cordes | Using the phrase "cargo culting" is a clear way to point out the trap someone might be falling into. I didn't see that part as rude at all. (I can kind of see where you're coming from now that you point it out, but I still disagree with this assessment.) It's the part driving home that point with "you are not thinking" that steps a bit across the line in my reading, creating an overall negative tone. (Especially that "you are not thinking" can jump out at the reader, leaving its context behind and sounding ruder than (what I think) the intended reading was.) | |
| Sep 3, 2021 at 6:38 | comment | added | user692942 | @reirab that is your opinion and you are entirely welcome to it. However, it’s also not the same as saying someone is "stupid" or "thick", so where do you draw the line? | |
| Sep 2, 2021 at 18:36 | comment | added | reirab | Honestly, the "not thinking" part seems more rude to me. Not necessarily untrue perhaps, but not the most constructive way to word a potentially otherwise-useful criticism. | |
| Sep 2, 2021 at 16:38 | comment | added | The DIMM Reaper | If our standard for R/A is as high as "somebody can perceive it as such", then this whole getting along on the internet thing is never going to work. | |
| Sep 2, 2021 at 11:52 | comment | added | user692942 | Subjectivity is always going to be a problem with any platform that tries to determine intent from written words, people just need to stop being so sensitive. Personally, I think Ian's comment was sage advice and hopefully the OP takes it on board and learns from it. | |
| Sep 2, 2021 at 9:46 | comment | added | 0Valt | @Nick we don't differ in assessment of the situation, actually - my point is that the comment does come off as condescending and is problematic under the current CoC (whatever we feel about it, unfortunately, does not matter much). The only issue I see with it is the presentation and, subsequently perception - the point was that accompanied with a link to the definition, the last part of the comment would likely be perceived in a different light. | |
| Sep 2, 2021 at 9:10 | comment | added | Nick is tired | "The part about the cargo-culting as currently worded does not serve any educational purpose and thus comes off as a snarky remark" - Subjective indeed, I'm going to have to disagree with that. It's a reminder to the author that they should do things because they have a good reason to, "it's the new way" (as quoted) is an abysmal reason to do anything. If they had said "required for work" , or "learning experience", or "need to be able to perform other tasks in parallel" or any other meaningful reason I'd be more inclined to agree. Although... Full context missing | |
| Sep 2, 2021 at 8:51 | vote | accept | Ian Kemp - SO dead by AI greed | ||
| Sep 2, 2021 at 8:02 | history | answered | 0Valt | CC BY-SA 4.0 |