Timeline for answer to Can an animal have qualia without self awareness? by CriglCragl
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| Jan 14, 2019 at 21:47 | comment | added | user35983 | oh ok, well i think you're being a little unclear and i'm having to guess what you mean or at least how you are addressing my questions (i am reading what you say). i guess the difficulty is that you've introduced the term "mental model" but i don't know what aspect of my experience this is or is meant to explain | |
| Jan 13, 2019 at 15:41 | comment | added | CriglCragl | No. I feel like you aren't reading what I wrote. All minds have a subject, rooted in proprioception/self-notself, and work-space awareness. This generates qualia, subjective experience. Passers of the mirror test have a work-space that can fit a model of themselves in - we call that I, self, character, identity etc. | |
| Jan 13, 2019 at 2:56 | comment | added | user35983 | ok. now i'm reading you like you're saying that only human like things have qualia that are unique to them. is that right?? | |
| Jan 13, 2019 at 2:10 | comment | added | CriglCragl | The memory thing is about the definition of qualia, the subjective experience of that thing experiencing itself, not derivable from another type of subject say accessing it's sensorium (support from this comes from how we can learn other human languages, but not speak to dolphins). What mental models are like is really a complex seperate question, addressed by neuroscience etc eg from clues like en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split-brain and the develpment of theory-of-mind in children as their neocortex grows | |
| Jan 13, 2019 at 1:57 | comment | added | user35983 | but what is a mental model like? | |
| Jan 13, 2019 at 1:54 | comment | added | CriglCragl | I distinguish awareness, which probably almost every animal has, from consciousness which requires enough complexity to not just register self vs other but have a mental model of these. It seems to be a sliding scale, though there are 'jumps' like mirror neurons and the neocortex | |
| Jan 13, 2019 at 1:21 | comment | added | user35983 | you used the word "true conscious awareness" and i'd like to know to know what that means if i am to accept the answer... do amoebas have an awareness of time, is that what the last paragraph meant and its reference to memory? | |
| Jan 13, 2019 at 1:08 | comment | added | CriglCragl | Qualia is the work-space, so even c elegans have it - even single-neuron and single celled creatures in some sense have it imho. Notably, typical configurations even of complex computers, do not | |
| Jan 13, 2019 at 0:23 | comment | added | user35983 | read your answer, and liked it (upvoted) but can't tell if you agree. thought you did, but then the tone seemed off for that? | |
| Jan 12, 2019 at 23:54 | history | answered | CriglCragl | CC BY-SA 4.0 |