Timeline for answer to Have any polls surveyed the opinion of Brexit supporters on the recent decision on Hong Kong BN(O) passport holders? by Brian Z
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| Jul 13, 2020 at 0:33 | comment | added | dan-klasson | This is interesting. I mean screw people who are fleeing from war and poverty. What we really need to do is give asylum to Chinese middle class people. It's all good as long as they're not Arabs, I guess. Now where were we? Yeah, we were selling weapons to Saudi Arabia. We respect human rights when it serves our purpose. Assange who? | |
| Jul 4, 2020 at 12:39 | comment | added | user | Has everyone forgotten the infamous recycled Nazi poster that Farage put out? | |
| Jul 3, 2020 at 13:25 | comment | added | awjlogan | @user I'd prefer if you didn't make assumptions about what I have/have not read or interpreted, as I won't about you. Here are the Facebook ads that Leave ran (parliament.uk/documents/commons-committees/…), which I would think are more inflammatory than a traditional ad. The most overtly racist ones, to my eye, are the ones about Turkey but you'd be hard pressed to prove that in a court of law (unfortunate as that is). | |
| Jul 3, 2020 at 11:53 | comment | added | Chronocidal | @user From my experience, some of the official campaigning was implicitly racist, and some of the unofficial campaigning was explicitly racist, but I do not recall seeing any explicitly racist official campaigning in the part of the UK where I live. This is evidence that some racists who supported "Leave" used that as part of their reasoning, but not evidence that the "Leave" campaign itself was inherently racist. I know plenty of racists who voted "Remain" - in part because the races they are racist against aren't part of the EU. I also know many non-racists who voted "Leave". | |
| Jul 3, 2020 at 11:18 | comment | added | user | @awjlogan You lack appreciation of what was said. Maybe you were in a bubble, maybe you just didn't recognize it, but a lot of it was explicitly racist. Not implicitly, explicitly. That is a fact that you can verify by looking at one of the many reports into the matter. However I'm not going to do the work for you. | |
| Jul 3, 2020 at 10:52 | comment | added | awjlogan | @user Ultimately, living in a democracy means you must confront the fact that people have different and, almost certainly, internally contradictory views to the ones you have. Lacking appreciation of this just leads to polarisation, and look where that's left things... To be clear, I'm not endorsing/supporting racism, but it's not an accusation that should have been used so widely against so many people. | |
| Jul 3, 2020 at 10:47 | comment | added | awjlogan | @user - no, some of the Leave campaign was implicitly racist. Any broad campaign is going to have things one doesn't agree with, it does not mean that all supporters unequivally endorse all parts. Additionally, it is not the case that if someone has what you consider racist views, they have no other valid thoughts, or a sense of nuance. Personally, I feel that the campaign for Remain alienated many people they could easily of converted by assuming that because they were sympathetic to Leave as a whole, they were racist and therefore irredeemable in all aspects. | |
| Jul 3, 2020 at 9:49 | comment | added | user | @awjlogan much of the leave campaigning was explicitly racist. Presumably anyone who wasn't a racist would look at it and think "I probably shouldn't align myself with racists." Yet it was successful and widely shared on social media, widely and openly repeated in interviews with the public. There is no other reasonable explanation. | |
| Jul 2, 2020 at 14:19 | comment | added | awjlogan | @user - I read your post carefully the first time, thank you, and it's quite clear - you assert that "racism was a major motivator for voting leave" and therefore "anything to do with immigration has to be understood through that lens". It doesn't follow that opposing some forms of immigration is racist, which is what you are ascribing to Leavers as a block. (Putting aside all over Leave "considerations", such as they were...) | |
| Jul 2, 2020 at 13:47 | comment | added | user | @awjlogan not all leave voters as a block. Read my comment more carefully. | |
| Jul 2, 2020 at 10:11 | comment | added | awjlogan | @user - is there an actual source for that? There's certainly been a link made between opposition to (some forms) of immigration and voting for Leave, but that doesn't mean that "they" are racist as a block. Almost certainly, it empowered actual racists, but to describe everyone who voted Leave as racist and interpret everything "through that lens" is incorrect and unproductive (both to understanding things yourself, and hopefully reducing polarisation). Also, immigration was not the only factor. | |
| Jul 2, 2020 at 10:03 | comment | added | user | @awjlogan racism was a major motivator for voting leave so high support for anything immigration related has to be understood through that lens. It would be nice to think people got less racist over the last 4 years but it's unlikely e.g. racially motivated hate crimes are up, an outspoken racist is PM etc. | |
| Jul 2, 2020 at 9:39 | comment | added | GeoffAtkins | @Jontia - I would surmise that the question was posed then as it was around the time that Hong Kong was returned from the UK to China and the public opinion of the time was against giving full British citizenship to the people of Hong Kong, so it is effectively the same policy and the same question. | |
| Jul 2, 2020 at 8:57 | vote | accept | CDJB♦ | ||
| Jul 2, 2020 at 8:32 | comment | added | awjlogan | @user Perhaps your assumptions are untrue or, in fact, it's impossible and reductive to state someone is a Leaver or a Remainer and therefore must be in favour/against everything that that is said (by whom?) to entail. | |
| Jul 2, 2020 at 8:03 | comment | added | user | Seeing China as a military threat doesn't explain their attitude towards immigration from HK. My guess would be they are less bothered by people from former colonies. The bad old days of Empire are revered and there is a built in assumption of superiority, where as with the EU it's the opposite. | |
| Jul 2, 2020 at 7:27 | comment | added | Jontia | Is the 1990 data about an identical policy? Or about an opposite direction policy? 2020 policy is about letting Hong Kongers come to the UK, was the 1990 question the same? | |
| Jul 1, 2020 at 14:46 | history | answered | Brian Z | CC BY-SA 4.0 |