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| Mar 26, 2025 at 9:43 | comment | added | Haridasa | @carl we agree on the dissolving not the cause for such. | |
| Mar 26, 2025 at 9:43 | comment | added | Haridasa | Let us continue this discussion in chat. | |
| Mar 26, 2025 at 4:31 | comment | added | Carl | @Haridasa In theory, there is nothing wrong about having "Ministry of Education." However, a US Department of Education is not constitutional because no such power as "education" was delegated from the states to the federal gov't in it. So structurally it should not exist as there is no constitutional amendment delegating that function. In practice, the US Department of Education is ineffectual, obstructive, and opaque, and makes bad decisions beyond the scope of federal constitutional power, so yes, I think it needs to be dissolved. | |
| Mar 26, 2025 at 0:59 | comment | added | Haridasa | @Carl so put education to the states then? | |
| Mar 26, 2025 at 0:55 | comment | added | Carl | @Haridasa Which is why one should teach students to survive in their local environment first. It would not be appropriate to teach atheism to uniquely Rosicrucian students, and no central government is so flexible as to adapt to local conditions never mind even trying to teach a gifted, studious child in a decrepit neighborhood among children every other of whom wears gang colors. | |
| Mar 25, 2025 at 21:35 | comment | added | Haridasa | I think I understand, but the issue is we're dealing with identity here. If you over generalize, then you're gonna have serious and malefic effects on a student's social school life and how they're perceived in that given environment. | |
| Mar 25, 2025 at 21:28 | comment | added | Haridasa | @Carl I apologize, but I don't see a relationship between this and whether religions should be taught in schools. | |
| Mar 25, 2025 at 21:25 | comment | added | Carl | @Haridasa Yes, indeed, in the manner of proof we are all limited by its incompleteness see Gödel's incompleteness theorems. However, it would be contrarian to give up and teach nothing. I had a boss who was educated in a one room schoolhouse in rural Saskatchewan. He said that he received a fantastic education, optimal, couldn't be better. That is hardly the case for an over-regulated, inner-city school where students fail to learn to read anything, and never get beyond finger counting. Each student deserves attention. | |
| Mar 25, 2025 at 21:13 | comment | added | Haridasa | @Carl I agree biases exist within a curriculum and teachers, but in my opinion, religion is way to complicated both from a moral, theological and philosophical angle that summarizing it would essentially provide a caricature of that tradition which is a personal identity of many. As a Hindu there are 1000s of scriptures in my faith, different schools (which most in the west haven't even heard of and a plethora of commentaries.) If a school cannot even list the basic schools of thought or organization of a faith how can they explain aspects of it without generalization in the given time. | |
| Mar 25, 2025 at 21:01 | comment | added | Carl | @Haridasa I do not understand your statement. In what way can any teacher or curriculum planner disabuse themselves from their own biases? For example, do you think that atheism is unbiased? I find that atheists dislike religious beliefs as frequently as religious people dislike atheists. Anti-religiousness is frequently a negative image of religiousness, which, in effect is like the negative of a picture, same information, just backwards. | |
| Mar 25, 2025 at 20:52 | comment | added | Carl | I gave you a link to Indiana Law, which exhaustively shows how subsidiarity appears in that law. Since subsidiarity arises from Natural Law, which although well presented by Thomas Aquinas, was also espoused by the ancient Greeks. Historically, it was not until Newton's time that the math for min/max problems was established. Its application to game theory is here. Since the topic is as wide as the Amazon River, and as old as time, I do not know what kind of reference you are asking for. | |
| Mar 24, 2025 at 19:27 | comment | added | Italian Philosopher | @Carl find me a suitable article giving those reasons and I will cite it. Probably along with some verbiage like "as a matter of philosophical principle, keep oversight local rather than centralized" in my bullet points. | |
| Mar 24, 2025 at 19:07 | comment | added | Haridasa | @Carl I disagree teachers and circulmn planners can have bias in portraying the faith unless you’re a pandit or scholar who believes in that tradition in my opinion you’re unworthy if teaching it. | |
| Mar 24, 2025 at 3:44 | comment | added | Carl | @Haridasa I do not agree. One should be taught various systems of belief, for example Catholicism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Zoroastrianism, etc., etc. Otherwise, the students are just plain uneducated and not prepared for real world interaction with others. What you do not know can get you killed if you say the wrong thing to the wrong person at the wrong time. Having one-dimensional political theorists planning curricula is worse than incompetent, ignorance will get you thrown in jail in the wrong place at the wrong time. | |
| Mar 24, 2025 at 0:11 | comment | added | Haridasa | Religion should be fully kept out of schools both pro and explicitly anti-religious arguments. The basic concepts of evolution and the evidence for it should be taught, but everything else should be left to the individual to decide. | |
| Mar 23, 2025 at 23:57 | comment | added | Carl | Yes indeed. You are missing the root philosophical argument, which is something obviously embedded in the US Declaration of Independence; "Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed". This arises from the principle of subsidiarity, originating from the natural law philosophy of Thomas Aquinas. To wit; there is an optimal organizational size and structure that is ad hoc. Anything else is relatively incompetent. | |
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