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  • I usually don't like long answers like this :) but you touch on a very relevant point. If you run a web server, it needs to accept connections to the web server. It's questionable what value you get from configuring a second piece of software to say: yes, I want to accept web requests sent to my web server. And this use case seems to be more cared for inside Debian than the desktop is. Commented Jul 31, 2017 at 22:55
  • sourcejedi, lol, had it not been long, I wouldn't have gotten to the webserver question, that was the last thing I added. But in this case, you have a user who is clearly new, less experienced, who may not realize that different distros cover radically differing use cases and users. So they have basically no information, and at that point, it's hard to know what they know and don't know, ergo, too many words. Or just enough. Hard to know. Commented Jul 31, 2017 at 22:59
  • "Plus of course, there is really no such thing as Debian". I'm not sure what you mean by this - there is definitely such a thing as Debian. It's the operating system that is produced by the Debian project. Technically it is a family of operating systems, but of course, the Linux variant is very much dominant. There are various methods of installation, but they all install the same system. Of course, you have a lot of freedom about which parts of it to install. Commented Jul 31, 2017 at 23:33
  • Not in the sense of it referring to one thing. What you note as what it is technically is what I mean. That is, is Debian the dvd installer image this person referred to? Is it the core install you get on netinstall? Is it the apt package pool for the specific architecture? Is it the sid pool for that? The testing pool? and so on. In terms of how users define thing, I'd say there is no such thing, what there actually is is the project, Debian, that governs the packaging rules and packages that define apt and .deb. This is why I like it, by the way, it's the rules that define the project. Commented Aug 1, 2017 at 0:05
  • Hard to explain,but I'll try: I don't install 'Debian', I install say, Debian Testing/Buster, 64 bit variant, from the netinstall iso. So Debian is the umbrella, that runs and creates what I install. This is I've come to realize over the years why I like Debian so much, they have strict rules, and those rules to me are what really define something as Debian and not Ubuntu. So for example, if you take a set of packages from Debian, and create Ubuntu, when does it stop being Debian? it's the same packages, at least for a while, and I'd suggest, it stops when you stop following the dfsg rules. Commented Aug 1, 2017 at 0:08