LFCS 2012: X and Wayland

Posted Apr 16, 2012 21:48 UTC (Mon) by quintesse (subscriber, #14569)
In reply to: LFCS 2012: X and Wayland by sorpigal
Parent article: LFCS 2012: X and Wayland

So what's so superior about it?

We already know that X is better at handling unresponsive apps, but that's not something that's impossible to do with CSD.

So what else is so superior that people will not even wait until Wayland has actually something usable to show to before running it into the ground? (which is by the way the ONLY thing I've been trying to clear up all this time. Of course if Wayland can maintain current X functionality I'll be happy, but I'm just not convinced I'll be unhappy if they can't)

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LFCS 2012: X and Wayland

Posted Apr 17, 2012 11:55 UTC (Tue) by sorpigal (subscriber, #36106) [Link]

> So what else is so superior that people will not even wait until Wayland has actually something usable to show to before running it into the ground?
There's this tendency to say "You should have raised this objection a year ago" when the software is already released and the problems become clear.

LFCS 2012: X and Wayland

Posted Apr 17, 2012 12:04 UTC (Tue) by quintesse (subscriber, #14569) [Link]

Well constructive criticism is great of course, helping out and coming up with solutions would be better, but what I see mostly in these threads is people just assuming the very worst and do nothing but complain. That can be very demotivating and is normally the number one reason for the developers to ignore people. (I can't imagine what it must be like to be Lennart Poettering for example ;) )

LFCS 2012: X and Wayland

Posted Apr 17, 2012 19:09 UTC (Tue) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198) [Link]

Hear, hear! I find it very tiresome for so many people to complain so bitterly about the few projects that really seem to be improving and revitalizing the Linux ecosystem. Pottering and Packard seem to be some of the few people who are willing to take on the challenge of improving what has come before instead of casting it in bronze as a museum piece. In this specific case it is particularly ironic because the Wayland developers also seem to be the X developers and if anything Wayland is X12.
Wayland is heavily informed by what does and doesn't work in X by the people who know it most intimately. As you say some people are just assuming the very worst and doing nothing but complain but the developers they are complaining are wrong and the developers they are holding up as right are _the_same_people_!

LFCS 2012: X and Wayland

Posted Apr 18, 2012 8:12 UTC (Wed) by renox (subscriber, #23785) [Link]

> the developers they are complaining are wrong and the developers they are holding up as right are _the_same_people_

Except of course that the same people at different times may do totally different things due to changing priorities, which means you have _no_point_.

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