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Where Eagles Dare: Ju-52 in a deadly crash today

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Re: Where Eagles Dare: Ju-52 in a deadly crash today

Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:30 pm

How sad andt tragic, I watched Where Eagles Dare again just last week as well My condolences to all involved with these two tragedies.
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Re: Where Eagles Dare: Ju-52 in a deadly crash today

Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:33 pm

Very sad day. The JU-52 was wearing a Rimowa promotional livery recently.
Tragic.
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Re: Where Eagles Dare: Ju-52 in a deadly crash today

Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:35 pm

RIP to those who perished and, less importantly of course, poor Tante Ju. I got a private tour of the one that is in the Smithsonian's Dulles Airport annex quite a while before the museum was built and it was a fascinating aircraft to be in.
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Re: Where Eagles Dare: Ju-52 in a deadly crash today

Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:11 pm

AVHerald is covering this accident:


http://avherald.com/h?article=4bbf2069&opt=0

I wonder if these accidents today were somehow due to density altitude, as we currently have a crushing heat wave, with 95°F over most of the country.


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Re: Where Eagles Dare: Ju-52 in a deadly crash today

Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:15 pm

I am shocked! Horrible, horrible news! I flew on her sister ship just last month. The Ju-Air operation looked very professional, and I was very impressed with the immaculate state of the aircraft.

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Re: Where Eagles Dare: Ju-52 in a deadly crash today

Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:48 pm

This is tragic. From within Europe and beyond we feel the pain of this tragedy. Too sad.
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Re: Where Eagles Dare: Ju-52 in a deadly crash today

Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:07 pm

There is still no indication about how many passengers were on board. This could well be the most significant air disaster in Switzerland since 1990, when Alitalia flight 404 crashed. :(



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Re: Where Eagles Dare: Ju-52 in a deadly crash today

Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:06 pm

flyingturtle wrote:
There is still no indication about how many passengers were on board. This could well be the most significant air disaster in Switzerland since 1990, when Alitalia flight 404 crashed. :(
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There was a Crossair ARJ crash in november 2001 with 24 casualties....
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Re: Where Eagles Dare: Ju-52 in a deadly crash today

Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:11 pm

MEA-707 wrote:
There was a Crossair ARJ crash in november 2001 with 24 casualties....


Thank you for the correction. :worried:


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Re: Where Eagles Dare: Ju-52 in a deadly crash today

Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:55 pm

AvHerald has posted that here are likely no survivors.. There's also an interesting NOTAM since yesterday about a cable that has been suspended between two points along the route.

Also a translated Swiss news article;

https://translate.google.com/translate? ... 90196.html

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Re: Where Eagles Dare: Ju-52 in a deadly crash today

Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:59 pm

It is barely being covered in the mainstream Swiss news. Is there some confusion with the other light aircraft crash earlier today?

Moderators: can we please change the topic title to reflect the gravity of the accident?
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Re: Where Eagles Dare: Ju-52 in a deadly crash today

Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:08 pm

This was the trip:
https://www.ju-air.ch/app/download/6799 ... 1510133689
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Re: Where Eagles Dare: Ju-52 in a deadly crash today

Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:28 pm

LTenEleven wrote:
Moderators: can we please change the topic title to reflect the gravity of the accident?


I support that.

Perhaps the accident didn't get more international coverage because it's not a traffic flight. Ju-52, what's that? Boeing or Airbus would ring a bell with journalists... BBC News covers a Russian helicopter crash which has caused 18 deaths, but not this one.



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Re: Where Eagles Dare: Ju-52 in a deadly crash today

Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:31 pm

Dreadful news. I have flown on JU 52 several times and they regular fly over our house in southern Lake Zurich every Wednesday and Saturday. I saw one crossing around 4pm this afternoon and made a comment to my wife about the possible thermic making this a bumpy experience. So sad, RIP everybody!
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Re: Where Eagles Dare: Ju-52 in a deadly crash today

Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:40 pm

Are there no journalists working in Switzerland on a Saturday evening?

This may not be a "normal" airline accident but it is nevertheless one where a relatively sizeable number of paying passengers were being carried from A to B.
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Re: Where Eagles Dare: Ju-52 in a deadly crash today

Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:50 pm

LTenEleven wrote:
This may not be a "normal" airline accident but it is nevertheless one where a relatively sizeable number of paying passengers were being carried from A to B.

Paying passengers, yes and no. To be on these planes you have to register as a member of the club "Freunde der schweizerischen Luftwaffe", the club which operates JU-AIR. That changes the whole situation about operating rules, insurance etc.

There is no way you can these days have a Ju-52 certified to carry ordinary paying passengers like airlines do.
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Re: Where Eagles Dare: Ju-52 in a deadly crash today

Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:04 am

There is no way you can these days have a Ju-52 certified to carry ordinary paying passengers like airlines do.


I can believe there would be no FDR! But no CVR, though that’s an easier after-market add as long as you have a generator? Even a simple GoPro camera would work.
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Re: Where Eagles Dare: Ju-52 in a deadly crash today

Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:16 am

Very sad and shocking news. Swiss media are assuming that there are at least 19 casualties as the flight was probably fully booked (17 passengers + 2 pilots; maybe 1 flight attendant?). Cantonal police of Grisons will announce further details at 9am CEST.

https://www.aero.de/news-29709/Tante-Ju-in-der-Schweiz-abgestuerzt.html
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Re: Where Eagles Dare: Ju-52 in a deadly crash today

Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:18 am

During a 1997 visit to Potsdam for the day I was walking in a garden in front of one of the palaces when I heard very distinctive engine sounds. Above were a Junkers 52 and a DC-3 in parallel. What a fantastic sight! This young couple approached me and asked what was it. When i told them, they shrugged their shoulders, looked at each other, and walked away.
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Re: Where Eagles Dare: Ju-52 in a deadly crash today

Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:32 am

I believe I've seen one of these Ju Air planes at an air show, flying a formation with two DC-3. Their slow flight and their rumble is majestic and dinosaur-like. (Those Ju 52 have de-rated engines, for noise and preservation reasons.)

About the wreckage: It's peculiar that the wreck is upside down, and the tail is not crumpled (as in a longitudinal deceleration), but cracked. If I understand the physics right, the plane crashed headfirst into the ground and then flipped over. Stalling and trying to dive in order to regain airspeed comes to mind.

But we'll see.

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Re: Where Eagles Dare: Ju-52 in a deadly crash today

Sun Aug 05, 2018 3:13 am

Not a word about this horrible crash here in the US. Like someone else said, I wonder if the heat contributed to the crash.
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