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“15bps of new issue premium is actually a notch difference” set the tone at our first Zürich Credit Club a week ago today. Are Rates Really That High? Fundamentals look good, margins have been going up despite higher interest costs and rates look less wide if one looks beyond the QE experiment. Higher long-end yields can be healthy if balancing market forces, such as growth and competition for capital. Negative rates-spreads correlation comes as part of an income-seeking environment and while it might not withstand a rates spike... “Maybe rates are actually not intolerably high?” Thinking about sweet spots. Carry has cushioned volatility, as hybrids and AT1 can attest given YTD returns vs govies. So, down in subordination in IG, up in the cap stack in high yield. RV (slightly) supports EU vs US, all things considered including FX basis. European names in non-EUR currencies still a source of alpha. Hyperscalers and the IG compression conundrum. The ratings-spreads-curves triangle in the higher echelons of IG has been distorted by price-insensitive issuers offering new issue premiums equivalent to a rating notch. It has taken the AA cohort wider, leading to compression from above rather than a “mere” spread rally. Explaining the BB-B spread gap? IG investors reach for BBs for carry at lower duration, while some very wide B-names pull the average out, with the remaining cluster at much tighter levels. Feeling the presence of Private Credit in HY? Weaker names refinancing via private credit have left the HY bond space. Seems mostly benign and could explain the low level of defaults we are seeing. Same AI trade, different downside risks. It’s possible that capex comes down given bottlenecks, regulation or slowdown. Hyperscalers should be fine as diversified but perhaps the same can’t be said of hardware. Datacentre bonds at BB+250. Worth doing the work! Wide dispersion in spreads and docs, with distinct risk stages depending on the time to become operational. High-quality tenant and relatively short completion should generate alpha for the first movers in a new asset class. Left-tail risks. Midterms probably a nothingburger. AI and ESG both push in an inflationary direction. Credit in a boiling-frog pan as LNG prices and high rates feed into the demand side of economy, pushing spreads wider. 🙏 Thanks to the Zürich credit community for the warm welcome and to our panellists for their candour: Maria Stäheli, CFA, Head of IG Credit Portfolio Management at Swiss Life Asset Managers Roland Hausheer, Head of High Yield at Swisscanto Asset Management International S.A We were: Aidan Cheslin (Hybrids, TMT), Antonio Barroso (Geoeconomics), Jeroen Julius and Ruben Benavides (Banks), and Tolu Alamutu (real estate). 📩 Presentations and BI analyst contact details are in your inbox (let me know if not). Hope you enjoyed this as much as we did. If you have a Bloomberg Terminal, you have all of Bloomberg Intelligence. We are just an IB away, Renato