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I have noticed a string of highly problematic edits by user Carmaker1:[1]. As with Volvo V70, Nissan Murano, Audi 100 and Honda Odyssey (North America), he inserts the names of car designers based on missing, misleading or spurious references. In the Volvo V70 article, he inserted the name of a dubious designer into an article in such a way as to leave a direct and referenced quote by the actual designer attributed to his newly introduced spurious designer. And from what I can tell, he's pretty much blazing a trail through lots and lots of articles. His responses are... well... not helpful, to say the least. I notice that you ran into some similar issues with him recently. Is this something you could help with?842U (talk)

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Admittedly, not everyone uses model years, but they are decidedly not only American. Germans use them, Swedes use them, Latin Americans, the French. You barely ever see them in Italy, UK, or Japan. All the cars released in Frankfurt in September and in Paris in October are called by the succeeding year, see Bellu for instance. Volvo has their annual ändringstillfälle (ÄT) in August/September and refer to their cars as model year xx. Peugeot is the same; their model year followed the Paris Show dates every year. For European manufacturers this time of year aligns with the mandated summer holidays, when they take advantage of the downtime to change the tooling.

I know it started an Americanism, but it is not that confusing, as long as the wording is made clear when appropriate. Even FSO used it, describing their cars as "MR73" for modely roku 1973. The European Car of The Year award is released in 2024 for the 2025 model year. Here is an example from german WP:

Im Sommer 1966 (Modelljahr 1967) kam der hubraumgleiche, aber stärkere 911 S hinzu. Der höher verdichtete Motor dieser sportlicheren Version leistete 118 kW (160 PS) und sie war umfangreicher ausgestattet als das einfache Modell. Zeitgleich wurde zusätzlich zum Coupé das Targa ergänzt.

Das 911-Basismodell mit 130-PS-Motor bekam im Modelljahr 1968 die Bezeichnung 911 L (Luxus); gleichzeitig war als vergleichsweise günstiges Modell der 911 T (Touring) mit 110-PS-Sechszylinder-Boxermotor und Vierganggetriebe (sonst 5-Gang) erhältlich. Der 911 L mit Vergasermotor wurde ab Modelljahr 1969 vom 911 E mit 103 kW (140 PS) Leistung und mechanischer Saugrohreinspritzung ersetzt, die Porsche auch im ab dann 125 kW (170 PS) starken 911 S verwendete. Durch Vergrößerungen des Hubraums stieg die Motorleistung der einzelnen Modelle in den Folgejahren weiter. Außer in der Motorleistung unterschieden sich die Modelle T, E und S auch in der Ausstattung.

I am not asking that we give much more emphasis to model years (I prefer hard dates) or for you to change any of your editing habits, but I think you underestimate how widespread the "model year" thinking is.  Mr.choppers | ✎  19:40, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Our old friend came back today to promote his petition. I've reported the IP to SPI, but given the fact that no one got to the last SPI before it was stale, I am not hopeful that anything will come of it. There must be something more we can do, and it's likely things will only get worse when Toyota does not bring back the V6 Camry for the 2026 model year. I'm open to any options that will prevent further disruption. I'll also ping Carguychris since he started the original discussion. - ZLEA _T\^C 19:38, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

333 votes? I am beginning to think he's trolling us. No one can be that delusional.  Mr.choppers | ✎  02:34, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly, delusional is an easy state to get into (I'm not going to point too much on that one). In any case, he is merely repeating his previous statements, so there is nothing to do except occasionally respond with "no change since last time".  Stepho  talk  06:27, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Guess who's back! - ZLEA _T\^C 03:46, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ignore him. Or put another way - "don't feed the trolls" 😉  Stepho  talk  04:41, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I want you to see this, Again. This is still about the Toyota Camry. There's now 395 Signatures. You must convince everyone that my petition is now cruft & do not call it spam again. I was trying to promote my petition online but Wikipedia. That's what I'm doing now. Wikipedia should change & allow Change.org Petition Links in the future. ^[1] 2600:8801:9B0B:AA00:ADAE:11B1:C583:69F (talk) 00:21, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Re: "You must convince everyone that my petition is now cruft"

Agreed!  Stepho  talk  12:26, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I told you many times, My petition isn't cruft. I have to get more signatures. & Wikipedia's admins should allow Change.org Petition Links in the future. Toyota should put the V6 back in the Camry for 2026. 2600:8801:9B0B:AA00:E911:64B5:58C5:7BF4 (talk) 22:56, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't invite me to the party this time? No matter, I've already reported these two new IPs to SPI. - ZLEA _T\^C 23:44, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

395 signatures over 12 months from a population of 335 million is a trivial number - it has obviously not excited enough people. Wikipedia reports on notable facts - see WP:NOTABLE. It is not a soapbox platform for what you want to happen - see WP:SOAPBOX. It does not make predictions on the future - see WP:CRYSTALBALL. When you have larger numbers and can get some serious reporting by major magazines or major car enthusiast web sites, that's when we can include it on Wikipedia.

If you feel you are being treated unfairly then you can make your case at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles (to be fair, the majority of editors there already watch the Camry talk page, so you may not find much love there) or you can escalate it to WP:VILLAGEPUMP.  Stepho  talk  23:48, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Party's Over, @Stepho-wrs. There's 438 Signatures now. I've already won. @Stepho-wrs, @ZLEA & @Carguychris already know they've lost this war on the V6 Dump that I'm reversing. You think that it's spam, You three? Look again, There's others besides CarBuzz. ^[2][3][4][5] 2600:8801:9B0B:AA00:D909:1569:DC99:574A (talk) 14:26, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

438 signatures in 14 months - truly an Earth shattering display of mediocrity from a population of 335 million.

Ref 1,2: "It's doubtful that Toyota will bring the V6 back to the Camry."

Ref 3: "there is unfortunately no place for the V6 Camry in the future. As with all sudden changes, there will be backlash at first -hence the petition- but it is likely to be short-lived."

Ref 4: you just repeated the URL for ref 5.

Ref 5: "That's why the petition is unlikely to get a positive response."

Thank you for proving my point !  Stepho  talk  21:34, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We have unfinshed business, @Stepho-wrs. 216.70.189.155 (talk) 22:00, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for the notification.  Stepho  talk  01:06, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you explain this a bit more specifically? It looks like a double redirect to me, that I thought we were supposed to avoid. Wehwalt (talk) 09:29, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. Block (crater) is a single redirect to Surveyor (crater) - it is not a double redirect. The idea is that the article links to the actual topic (ie, block crater) rather than its current location (Surveyor crater). If block crater ever gets its own article, then all the links to it via block (crater) will automatically be correct. Which is much easier than manually finding all the links to [[Surveyor (crater) and manually changing some of them.  Stepho  talk  12:15, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you very much. And of course, best Christmas wishes to you too.  Stepho  talk  00:12, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Re your revert. I don't think the stability of redirects for short acronyms is a serious concern. It is easy to find where they're used and make adjustments if a redirect needs to be retargeted. ~Kvng (talk) 22:33, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately my experience is the opposite. If somebody changes a redirect because they think it matches their field better then articles using it in the old sense will not be notified. Only by regularly clicking on these links will you find out if they have been changed. That's a level of maintenance that should not be required.  Stepho  talk  23:27, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

OK thanks for the response. I'll keep it in mind. ~Kvng (talk) 02:24, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do not revert again without answer,

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Thermodynamic_system&diff=prev&oldid=1270716621

Morality surely opposes the Waste, NedBoomerson (talk) 00:36, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ignoring time waster bullshit.  Stepho  talk  00:53, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Thermodynamic_system&diff=prev&oldid=1272035663

free the captives, Wikipedia!

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Thermodynamic_system&diff=prev&oldid=1271257032

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Thermodynamic_system&diff=prev&oldid=1270716621

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Thermodynamic_system&diff=prev&oldid=1270557908

NedBoomerson (talk) 22:47, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Time wasting bullshit  Stepho  talk  23:07, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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No worries, it's just something I'm OCD about. All good.  Stepho  talk  01:27, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I just want to thank you again for your help, and guidance on the MOSGeomess as I am calling it. I just hope I didn't cause too much of a headache, stress or a problems with it. Happy editing, and take care. :) Brotherbenz (talk) 06:56, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No problem - glad to help.  Stepho  talk  09:56, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking of deletionism, this guy wants to delete all of the content about the Simca Vedette's Brazilian production in an effort to retain GA status. This is a new one to me.  Mr.choppers | ✎  13:14, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, a border line case. Only 2 references for the entire section is a bit weak. Although they are very good references and do cover the subject well. Perhaps tagging more facts with those references would help. And of course finding more new references.  Stepho  talk  21:12, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, my main issue is that they wanted to hide the entire section to make the article "Good" - erasing half of the Vedette's history would make the article incomplete, and thus in no way a "Good Article."  Mr.choppers | ✎  22:08, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I was trying to organize the Commons photos of the Toyota QuickDelivery as they are currently all in one folder. But as per the Japanese page, the generations are split in a different manner than we have. The naming is also confusing - there's a QD100 and QD200 but these names don't help much. The chassis codes are all over the place, U280 seems good for the third (final) generation but the facelift second gen is listed as BU60VH in .ja, whereas goo-net calls it LH82K or LH152K (but that's only post-1999). Calling them 1st, 2nd, and third gen is problematic until we all agree on which is what.  Mr.choppers | ✎  13:25, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know much about the QuickDelivery. But it seems that QD100 and QD200 are kind of like the Ford F-150 and F-250. Ie, a class for size/capacity rather than a generation. The QD200 is rated at 2 tones with a heavy-duty B diesel engine while the QD100 is rated at about 1+1⁄4 ton with a light-duty L diesel engine.  Stepho  talk  08:08, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed your recent edit to Toyota Celica and just made some follow-up edits to the Celica Camry and Celica Supra sections of that article. In the process, I noticed two things: first, the Toyota Carina article states that the Celica Camry replaced the Carina in some markets, but it was badged as a Carina. This might be useful information in the Celica article, but there is no citation, and I'm concerned about its "truthiness" given your statement about grey-market Celica Camrys in NZ and citogenesis generally. Second, there is a bunch of information about the Celica Camry in both the Carina article and the Toyota Camry overview article, but not all of it is the same. Suggest paring back one article or the other to reduce the overlap and the possibility of contradictions. I'd help tackle it but I know basically nothing about these cars. Carguychris (talk) 20:19, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, the Carina's relationship to sister models is a bit messed up on Wikipedia.

The Celica and Carina were originally designed as variations of the same car. They shared the same floorpan and the mechanicals were interchangeable.

The Celica Camry was just a minor variation on the A40 Carina 4-door sedan - mostly around the rear lights and bumpers. I have some Celica Camry front panels on my TA45 Carina and they fit fine. But the Celica Camry only lasted the one generation.

The Celica Camry was only sold new in Japan. But Japan's 10 year license laws caused most cars to be uneconomical to keep after 10 years, even though they were perfectly fine mechanically. So many were sold second hand on the grey market to New Zealand, Russia and occasionally to Australia. Thats how I got my TA45 Carina and also why I bought some second hand parts from Russia.  Stepho  talk  22:07, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You wrote: The Celica and Carina were originally designed as variations of the same car. That's one of the things that's confusing about the Carina article. The lead says as much, but the section about the A40/A50 seemingly contradicts this: "...the Celica Camry shared few components with [the A40/A50 Celica]." ...many [Celica Camrys] were sold second hand on the grey market to New Zealand, Russia and occasionally to Australia. Interesting. I'm in the U.S., and there's been a surge of grey-market Japanese imports recently, but they have to be 25 years old to be registered for road use in most states. Most of the interest focuses on more modern enthusiast-oriented Toyotas, such as Soarers and Chasers. Celicas sold in huge numbers here in the 20th century, but the Carina and Celica Camry were never sold in North America to my knowledge, and I've never heard of anyone importing one. Carguychris (talk) 16:15, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The TA12 Carina was sold new in the US (1972 and 73 model years from memory) but sales were disappointing. It was too small, too low powered and too expensive (high import duties) to excite the American car buyer, so even when grey imports got to 25 years, the typical American buyer wasn't interested in the importing them. Also Japan being RHD made it less desirable in the US. Europe had LHD Carinas but not the coupes or twincam models, so that didn't help either.

Whereas Russia likes smaller cars with smaller engines, so was happy with this type of car on the secondhand market from Europe. Europe liked the 4-door sedan and wagon as a mid-size family car, so the Carina sold quite well in Europe in the more boring models. But Europe had much better sport cars, so the coupes and twincam models were not offered in Europe.

New Zealand is RHD (same as Japan) and has very liberal import laws, so they got a lot of interesting secondhand cars of all type from Japan.

Mechanically, the Carina, Celica and Celica Camry are the same car. I've swapped parts between my Celica and Carina (suspension, brakes, front crossmember, engines, steering, gearbox). They are like the Ford Mustang and Falcon - deliberately designed to share as many parts as possible. They were even made on the same production line. The Carina and Celica Camry were even closer, more like the Ford Mustang and the Mercury Cougar - same car with minor cosmetic differences.  Stepho  talk  22:34, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

NASA are the ones who perpetrated the hoax in the first place. Of course they will support someone who is prepared to perpetuate it Phantomsnake (talk) 03:56, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There’s a discussion of Phantomsnake’s edit-warring with you at ANI ꧁Zanahary꧂ 14:21, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for letting me know.  Stepho  talk  14:30, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Stop production on March 3, 2025 49.145.239.130 (talk) 04:59, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As per WP:FACT and WP:RS, we need a reference to support that claim. Otherwise I have no idea if you made that up as a malicious lie, made it up as an accidental mistake, whether it stopped for N.America only (sadly, end of sales in the US of a car is so often reported as end of sales worldwide when sales actually continued in other markets) or whether it is the actual truth. Only references can verify it.  Stepho  talk  05:06, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

He's baaack! I've opened a sockpuppet investigation. Carguychris (talk) 13:09, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I'm just reverting and otherwise ignoring him. He's got nothing new to add.  Stepho  talk  23:56, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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And ...  Stepho  talk  04:36, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not attack other editors, as you did at Talk:Tesla, Inc.. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. I know these conversations are frustrating, but it’s never accessible to call someone an “obtuse bastard” or tell them to get their “meds checked”. RickyCourtney (talk) 11:57, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

On 1st April, 2025, Boeing Airbus announced their descision to restart the production of the 747 and A380. British Airways, who were forced to retire 747s due to the pandemic, has placed orders, following Lufthansa and Air China. On the other hand, Airbus announced it's decision to launch the A380LC(Low Cost) targeting low-cost carrier, and Ryanair has placed orders. The new 747 includes the -8iM(intercontinental Mixed), a combi version of the original. Also a two-engine 747-9 has also been launched, which is a SP with two engines. Further updates are still coming, so stay tuned. BuddyHeigh (talk) 15:22, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, interesting. The 747 I can understand but the A380LC for Ryanair is looking like cattle-class haulage. As always, it will need references from reliable sources.  Stepho  talk  15:52, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hope you didn't get my April fooling. Anyways, April Fools!!!! BuddyHeigh (talk) 19:34, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hence the cattle-class reference - pack 'em in and ignore the smell ;)  Stepho  talk  22:52, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kind of a silly statement considering the 1/4 mile figure was made by Nissan/Nismo themselves. 1/4 mile acceleration is a universally used measurement for acceleration in the automobile world even if the mile is not universally used anymore. Hence why Ferrari (based in Italy) still tests and quotes 1/4 mile figures for their vehicle in their Fiorano test facility. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SouthernResidentOrca (talk • contribs)

Nissan knows that it's mostly Yanks that care about 1/4 mile times and that the rest of the world is less enamoured of using that single measurement to define a vehicle. Nissan also knows that the US is where the cash is. Therefore Nissan presents it in units catering to Yanks. But Wikipedia has to cater to all readers, so we translate it into units that are more widely known. See WP:CARUNITS and WP:UNITS.  Stepho  talk  22:59, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Don't do this. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:36, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

HEV/FCEV has 4 speed transmission, it was from YouTube. 49.145.236.26 (talk) 03:45, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

YouTube is generally unreliable. See WP:USERGEN.  Stepho  talk  08:32, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for the polish on my edit on Atkinson cycle. To me, calling those engines with offset crankshaft a "Desaxe engine" is incorrect, because, (to me) a Desaxe engine has two or more cylinders with (typically parallel, more than one) cylinder center line's'. So, it may be called a Desaxe crankshaft, not a Desaxe engine, to me. What is your view on this? Yiba (talk | contribs) 01:57, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the edit that says only one image can be selected in the Infobox of an English Wikipedia article. I made this mistake because I'm Brazilian, I work at the Portuguese Wikipedia, and there are no limits on how many images can be placed in the Infobox. Pax NeroRezend (talk) 16:46, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You are welcome.  Stepho  talk  20:28, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there! I saw your recent reverts on AEC Regent III RT and AEC Routemaster and I want leave a appreciation message here!

Seriously, there's some proud English editors (I think two: User:Murgatroyd49 and User:Redrose64 - this one is English) on articles about British vehicles (buses and cars) who can't accept a edit about placing "United Kingdom" on vehicle infoboxes (even when technically the country is correct for Wikipedia and naming standards), and they revert: "United Kingdom: (name of the city), England" by removing the UK alleging, per example, "convention is to use the country, not the state".

Some of their complaining on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject London Transport: "An editor has unilaterally decided to change "England" to "United Kingdom" in the location field of the infoboxes of various bus articles, such as AEC Regent III, AEC Regent II etcetera. I was under the impression that the relevant country was the preference", "And since when did the country come before the town/city?" (but all editors do this edit recently) and "Their latest trick is to use both United Kingdom and England, with one before and the other after". As far as I know, a revert is applied to vandalism, unsourced informations, etcetera, not for some kind of nationalist opinion (other non-British editors here doesn't have these issues!!)

Anyways, congratulations for your work here in Automobile articles in Wikipedia. Best regards, 創新劇ゴジ SoshingekiGoji (talk) SoshingekiGoji (talk) 23:37, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And thank you for your work.

I'm not too worried about them. I've been here for almost 20 years, I can outlast them.

The country first thing is mostly for when there are a group of cities from a single country. Otherwise we normally do city, country.  Stepho  talk  22:46, 6 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello!

I know that location thing isn't a big issue, but these editors I mentioned earlier revert like if is some kind of vandalism or bad thing (as you can deduce by their comments on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject London Transport topic abot "England or UK")

This (unecessary) issue and revert spree occured more with British vehicle articles (specially by User:Murgatroyd49 and User:Redrose64)

Other countries with complex group of cities (like Japan, Canada or USA) doesn't face this revert kind. Only UK cars.

I don't know if these English editors are very nationalist or proud (like, they think thay placing United Kingdom is wrong so that's why reverting UK), but avoiding a edit war is a better sollution for now

Best regards, 創新劇ゴジ SoshingekiGoji (talk) 22:50, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Er, there is some confusion here. I created Toyota Deliboy as a redirect. Redirects never have references. It seems like some other editors keep changing it to a stand-alone article, which then gets quickly reverted back to a simple redirect.  Stepho  talk  00:00, 12 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there! About your reverts on my edits on Triumph TR7 and Triumph TR8 articles, I want to thank you (ok, it's a little weird to thank for a revert, I guess) for recommending the see WP:GEOCOMMA and WP:SEAOFBLUE. They're helping me to avoid overlinkings (about cities) in future edits. Honestly, the reverts were more reasonable than from the last two editors from the last issue about UK vs ENG revert discussion, where they just complained (as on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject London Transport#England or UK discussion). It's better when a editor have embasis while reverting

Best regards, 創新劇ゴジ SoshingekiGoji (talk) SoshingekiGoji (talk) 00:36, 15 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. There are a lot of rules to learn and it takes a while to be comfortable with them all. Even us old hands get it wrong sometimes. ;)  Stepho  talk  01:34, 15 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For most parts of WP we would list a location as something like "Speke, Merseyside, England" or "Speke, Merseyside, UK" (with no preference for England vs UK). For automobile infoboxes, this looks a bit clumsy when there are multiple locations in the same country, so we make a fake heading for the country and then list the locations under that. Eg:

United Kingdom:

Speke, Merseyside

Coventry, West Midlands

Solihull, West Midlands

Although the counties could be considered optional if the links go to the correct place.

We never list a location individually in colon form like "United Kingdom: Speke, Merseyside" or "England: Speke, Merseyside".  Stepho  talk  01:55, 15 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This example of fake heading is usually used, as far I saw, on some articles where a car was built in more than two or three cities (like Ford or Chevrolet car articles like this: Ford Model T). They can help to organisate better a infobox.

創新劇ゴジ SoshingekiGoji (talk) SoshingekiGoji (talk) 23:04, 15 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

the supporting references are Conradt, Dirk-Michael (2020). Porsche 356. Motor Buch Verlag. ISBN 978-3-613-04262-9. Page 244. Always make sure to review the sources first before deleting anything! With Kind regards Neptun22 (talk) 12:36, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for being drastic with the revert but it was necessary. Wikipedia lives and dies by every fact having a supporting reference. Any "fact" that does not have a supporting reference must automatically be treated as suspect. We don't know if the unsupported fact is the truth, a misunderstanding or an outright lie. The support reference gives us confidence that it is the truth. This is covered in WP:FACT and WP:RELIABLESOURCES.

Your additions had the ring of truth and I assumed that you probably had the supporting references at hand but your additions had absolutely no support references. As you are a new editor, I wanted you to know that references are a necessary part of adding facts to Wikipedia. Note also that I asked you to undo my revert when you had the references ready, so I was not being harshly critical but was rather gentling guiding you.

As I said in my edit summary, please undo my revert and add the reference to the article. Putting the reference on my talk page is not helpful becuase other editors in 5 years time will not know where to look to verify the information. If you are not sure how to add references, please look in the article's wiki text for the <ref>...</ref> tag. If you still have toruble then try your best and I will clean it up afterwards. Also feel free to ask if you want help.

Lastly, assume WP:GOODFAITH when somebody reverts your changes - especially when the reason is given in the revertig edit summayr. Many of us old hands are happy to help the new guys.  Stepho  talk  12:52, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

the reference was on the Porsche 356 page and also reversed ! I only have forgotten to add the page 244 where everything is documented.

with kind regards Neptun22 (talk) 13:10, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see your misunderstanding now. It is not enough that the reference already exists somewhere on the page. It must be attached directly to the fact. Otherwise we cannot check your new "facts" without tediously going through every single existing reference on the page.

Please undo my revert and add {{sfn|Conradt|2020|page=244}} at the end of the first line of prose in the new section. This gives enough clues to other editors who wish to double check your facts.  Stepho  talk  13:24, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]