Talk:Syrmian Front

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Ljotic units were fighting alongside Germans during that time, Chetniks aswell since Italy was long gone. I dont know it would be good to put Nedics Serbia or Chetniks as one of side of this front. ~2025-35016-91 (talk) 09:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Elaborate on how sources are not valid? ~2025-35016-91 (talk) 23:20, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Shadow4ya is it hard to check talk, also the sources i sent clearly state chetniks as participants. ~2025-35016-91 (talk) 00:01, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is trol behaviour. You first inserted Nedić’s government, knowingly falsifying the source. In your second edit, you replaced it with the Chetniks, again falsifying the sources.

In BBC source, this is stated:

"Bajić kaže da nije bilo četnika na Sremskom frontu"

This is a waste of time on trols. Shadow4ya (razgovor) 00:12, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake was on that, second file i provided was good, and im gathering up more sources, I EVEN ASKED "SHOULD I PUT NEDICS SERBIA OR CHETNIKS" and you mark that as trolling, if znaci.com is a false source to you then remove all other sources from this arthicle since they are mainly using znaci.com files. grow up and learn how to spell ~2025-35016-91 (talk) 00:25, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Came here from WP:AN/I and it seems like this temp is well-meaning; they're just conflating the Government of National Salvation with the Ljotićevci, which is mentioned in the BBC source (...dok se deo puka Srpskog dobrovoljačkog korpusa - ljotićevaca borio na strani okupatora prilikom oslobađanja Sremske Mitrovice).

However, as they were a part of the Waffen-SS at the time, I think they should be treated the same way that the Russian Protective Corps are; as a parenthetical. ZionniThePeruser ^{( talk with me | read up on me )} 08:30, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

yeah, also chetnik units were apart of Ljoticevci, and ill provide a source since i was told it wasnt clear on what page the context is - https://znaci.org/00001/58_6.pdf p12-13 (on pdf file) says "Немци су се повукли врло брзо остављајући извесне делове своје опреме на путу. На простору Челић — Пукиш оставили су телефонску линију. Већина немачке војске из Брчког прешла је Саву, док су у самом Брчком и непосредној околини налазе само белогардејци, зелени кадар, четници и мањи број Немаца" - https://znaci.org/00001/226_5.pdf?utm_source=chatgpt.com p19 (on pdf file) says "Borci Trećeg bataljona Prve krajiške nastupali su preko Gredice, a potom između obale Save i druma od Novog Brezovog Polja za Brčko. Drugi bataljon je vodio borbe duž pomenutog druma i nešto južnije, u Škočićima i Gredici, težeći da izbije u Brčko. Napad je potpomogla Artiljerijska brigada Pete krajiške udarne divizije, a povremeno su dolijetali avioni s crvenim petokrakama, tovare bombi izručivale na utvrđenja u gradu i okolini i nisko leteći mitraljirali vatrene objekte. U početku napada bataljoni su nastupali prema planu i protivniku nanosili osjetne udarce. Nijemci, ustaše, domobrani, četnici, ošamućeni prvim udarom"

Also Ljoticevci became part of cetniks in from 30 March 1945 and syrmian front ended in 12 April 1945. So putting either Gov of Nat Salv (as per ljoticevci being its paramilitary unit) or Cetnik units would both be correct name. ~2025-35016-91 (talk) 09:19, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ZionniThePeruser What do you think abt the thing i wrote, and sources i provided here? ~2025-35016-91 (talk) 09:35, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I partially disagree; Shadow is right in saying that Nedic's government had been dissolved before the front started; he and many of his officials fled to Austria in early October during the Belgrade offensive. Putting his government in the infobox would be inaccurate because he wasn't governing anything.

However, factoring these new sources, I'd say there's fair reason to include Chetniks. @Shadow4ya, do you have problems with these, or is this enough to give the temp a green light? ZionniThePeruser ^{( talk with me | read up on me )} 18:07, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why not simply add the Serbian Volunteer Corps (World War II) and avoid any confusion? That’s how they are presented in a separate article that describes only their operations in Syrmia (Anti-Partisan action in Srem (1944)). Shadow4ya (razgovor) 18:33, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you are going to quote a source that is not in English, please provide a translation for editors who do not read the language and do editors who do read the language can check the source is being accurately represented. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:36, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://znaci.org/00001/58_6.pdf p12-13 (on pdf file) says "The Germans withdrew very quickly, leaving certain parts of their equipment on the road. In the Čelić — Pukić area, they left a telephone line. The majority of the German army from Brcko crossed the Sava, while in Brcko itself and the immediate vicinity there were only White Guards, Green Cadres, Chetniks and a smaller number of Germans"

- https://znaci.org/00001/226_5.pdf?utm_source=chatgpt.com p19 (on pdf file) says "Fighters of the Third Battalion of the First Krajina marched across Gredica, and then between the banks of the Sava and the road from Novo Brezovo Polje to Brčko. The second battalion fought along the mentioned road and a little further south, in Škočići and Gredica, aiming to break out into Brčko. The attack was supported by The artillery brigade of the 5th Krajina strike division, and from time to time planes with red pentagons flew in, delivered loads of bombs to the fortifications in the city and the surrounding area and machine-gunned them. At the beginning of the attack, the battalions acted according to plan and inflicted significant blows on the enemy." Translated version ~2025-35016-91 (talk) 09:39, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

it didnt mention last bit, will stop using chatgpt for translation but it forgoted to add "At the beginning of the attack, the battalions proceeded according to plan and inflicted significant blows on the opponent. Germans, Ustashas, ​​Home Guards, Chetniks, stunned by the first blow" (this is text at very bottom of 2nd source i sent) ~2025-35016-91 (talk) 09:43, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]