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no significant population in Turkey?

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How come there is no significant pop. in Turkey? Crimean tatars are a subgroup of Tatars, how come they list 150 000 - 6 000 000 tatars in Turkey? and none is listed here?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Tatars

Real History

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Today it has been established that modern Tatars are primarily something other than Polovtsians (Desht-i-Kipchak), who fought together with Russia on the Kalka River against the Mongol conquerors, and later fell under the vassal influence of the Tatar-Mongol conquerors, in connection with which they adopted from them the ethnonym "Tatars" from the supreme ruling dynasty of the Genghisids such Polovtsian territories of the Golden Horde as: the Crimean Khanate, the Kazan Khanate, the Astrakhan Khanate, the Kasimov Khanate. Since the number of Mongols was less than that of the Polovtsian Kipchaks, they absorbed and assimilated the Genghisids, as noted by the Arab historian Al-Umari. In connection with which the state language of the Horde became Kipchak and the religion Busurman (an obsolete name for Muslims). Later, after the collapse of the Golden Horde, each khanate began to develop separately, and the population of these regions began to move away from each other in language and culture, the Crimean Tatars were subjected to mixing with the Ottomans, and the Kazan Tatars with the Finno-Ugrians, Chuvashes, Bashkirs and Russians. The formation of the Tatar people occurred only in the Golden Horde in the 14th - first half of the 15th century from the Central Asian Turkic-Tatar tribes that arrived with the Mongols and the Kipchaks (Polovtsians) who appeared in the Lower Volga region as early as the 11th century. There were only insignificant groups of Kipchaks on the Bulgar land, and there were very few of them on the territory of the future Kazan Khanate. But during the events of 1438-1445, connected with the formation of the Kazan Khanate, about 40 thousand Tatars arrived there together with Khan Uluk-Muhammad. Subsequently, Tatars from Astrakhan, Azov, Crimea, Akhtubinsk and other places migrated to the Kazan Khanate.

In the book: “Alphabetical list of peoples living in the Russian Empire” of 1895.” written: Kazan Tatars - Kipchak Horde, Crimean Tatars - Crimean Horde, Astrakhan Tatars - Golden Horde, Siberian Tatars - Siberian Kingdom

Other sources also confirm that Kazan was founded by people from Crimea: Ichkile Hasan (Gasan), the father of Ulu-Muhammad, and later Ulu-Muhammad himself moved to Kazan and founded the Kazan Khanate.

Since the time when the Kazan kingdom was defeated by Russian forces and annexed to the Russian state, many Tatars dispersed during this war, and the rest moved partly in crowds to the then still undefeated Tatar regions: that is why many more changes were made in the Kazan kingdom than in other conquered places...

Under Russian rule, many Kazan Tatars, with the permission of Moscow, moved from their former places to live in other countries that seemed freer to them: that is why the number of scattered villages and settlements of these Tatars increased in the provinces bordering Kazan, namely in Orenburg, Tobolsk, and partly also in Voronezh, and in some other lands... however, in their everyday rituals and faith, they are similar to the Kazan Tatars: that is why I will not use them when speaking about them, and refer to them.

— Carl Wilhelm Müller. "Description of all the peoples living in the Russian state,.." Part Two. About the peoples of the Tatar tribe. S-P, 1776, Translated from German: The Orenburg (Kazan) Tatars should not be confused with the hordes that migrated to this [Orenburg] province, such as the Kirghiz, and partly with the Ufa Tatars. The direct Orenburg Tatars live in Orenburg along the fortresses of the Orenburg line along the Ural River, partly scattered, and partly in special settlements, in their own settlements and the town of Kargale on the Sakmara River, 18 versts from Orenburg... The Ufa urban and rural Tatars are all ancient Kazan fugitives, and they are numerous. In the Orenburg Isesh province, a settlement has been going on for over a hundred years, consisting of several villages, and is called by the Ichkinsky stream... All the Orenburg Tatars outnumber the real Kazan Tatars, and there are no fewer of the others living in the diaspora, as well as the Kazan ones.

To state briefly, the Polovtsians (Kumans, Dasht-i-Kipchak) lived in the 10th century from Crimea to the Lower Volga, then the Tatar-Mongols came and many Polovtsians together with the Slavs of Rus' participated in the battle on the Kalka. Years later, when the Empire of the Ulus of Jochi became dominant, the Polovtsians (Kumans, Kipchaks) became subordinate to the Chingizids, united into a single state. Thus, the ethnonym Tatars passed to the Polovtsians (Kumans, Kipchaks) since their lands were ruled by the Mongols Chingizids. After a while, as Al-Umari writes, the Mongols dissolved in the Polovtsians and anthropologically became similar to them, losing Mongoloid facial features, assimilating with the Kipchaks (Polovtsians, they are also Kumans or Desht-i-Kipchak), thus the state language of the Golden Horde became the Kipchak dialect of the Turkic language. Later, under Uzbek Khan, Islam became the state religion of the Golden Horde, because of this the Russians began to call them Busurmans (Yarmo Busurman). Batu gave Alexander Yaroslavovich Nevsky a helmet decorated with Arabic script with quotes from the Koran. He called him his son, gave him a label for reigning, the right to collect taxes (tribute) in a cauldron (kazan). Later, in conflicts, part of the Polovtsian Tatars from Crimea escape to the Volga region, where they founded the city of Kazan on the Kazanka River. This was the father of Ulug-Muhammad, named Ichkeli Hasan. This is how the Kazan Khanate and the city of Kazan were born. Many Kipchaks (now Tatars) begin to arrive there. The Kazan Khanate was ruled by the Genghisids, from the Giray dynasty, then Nogai and others. Many Kipchak soldiers begin to arrive in the Khanate for permanent settlement. The Golden Horde begins to disintegrate between the internecine struggle for the throne, the great-grandchildren of Genghis Khan. This is how the Khanates are divided. Later, the Crimean Tatars mix with the Ottoman Turks, and the Kazan Tatars with the Finno-Ugrians and Russians. At the same time, after the capture of Kazan by Ivan the Terrible, many Kazan Tatars-Kipchaks (Polovtsians) flee to Ufa and Orenburg. The Kazan Tatars have nothing to do with the Bulgars, they are 70% Cumans (Cumans, Kipchaks), because the Bulgars were almost exterminated during the invasion of the Tatar-Mongols in the 13th century, the survivors went into the forests around the city of Ulyanovsk, then rising up to Cheboksary they forced out the mountain Cheremis, and this is how modern Chuvashia, the Chuvash Ogurs, arose like the Bulgars. 178.205.95.163 (talk) 02:19, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Татаrs

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The Cumans (Kipchaks), who roamed from Crimea to Saratov, are the ancestors of the Crimean, Kazan and Kasimov Tatars, and used the ethnonym "Tatars" (Polov. tatarlar), which is confirmed by the well—known written source of the Cuman (Polovtsian) language, Codex Cumanicus, created in Crimea in a language very close to modern Tatar[257]. The Crimean Khans also referred to themselves in their titles as the "great Padishah of all Tatars" (Crimean Tatar. barça (böten) tatarnıñ uluğ padişahı)[258]. At the end of the Golden Horde era and the division of the unified Tatar people into four khanates in different parts of the world, the Tatars (Polovtsians) began to mix with neighboring peoples. The Crimean Tatars were later heavily influenced by the Ottoman Empire and the Turks, extolling the culture and language of the Oghuz people. Kazan Tatars mixed with local Finno-Ugrians, mainly with Mari in the west and Udmurts in the south of Tatarstan. The Kasimov Tatars absorbed the Finno-Ugric Meshchera people when the "city of Meshchersky" was given to Kasim, the son of Kazan Khan Ulugh Mukhamet, with the advent of Tatar Islam in Kasimov, the Meshchersky people began to assimilate Tatars and changed their ethnonym to Mishari. Later, after the capture of Kazan, the Russian tsars, starting from the era of Ivan the Terrible and Kasimov's Shah Ali (Shigali), began to resettle Mishars (meschera) to the borders of Russia for defense in the East to the Marked Lines. Astrakhan Tatars and Kuban Tatars began to be called Nogais. The Siberian Tatars and Nogaibaks have always been a separate ethnic group and did not belong to the Polovtsian Kipchaks.

Original: Половцы (кыпчаки) кочевавшие от Крыма до Саратова, являются предками крымских, казанских и касимовских татар, в качестве самоназвания использовали этноним «татары» (полов. tatarlar), подтверждением чему является известный письменный источник куманского (половецкого) языка — Кодекс Куманикус, созданный в Крыму на языке, очень близком к современному татарскому языку. Крымские ханы в своих титулах также обозначали себя «великим падишахом всех татар» (крымскотат. barça (böten) tatarnıñ uluğ padişahı). В закате эпохи Золотой Орды и разделения единого татарского народа на четыре ханства в разных частях земли, началось смешение татар (половцев) с соседствующими народами. Крымские татары позднее подверглись сильному влиянию Османской Империи и турков, превнося культуру и язык огузов. Казанские татары смешались с местными финно-уграми, в основном с марийцами на западе и удмуртами на юге Татарстана. Касимовские татары впитали в себя финно-угорский народ мещеру, когда "город Мещерский" был отдан Касиму сыну Казанского хана Улуг Мухамета, с появлением татарского ислама в г.Касимов народ мещерский стал ассимилироваться татарами и сменили этноним на мишари. Позднее после взятия Казани, русские цари начиная с эпохи Ивана Грозного и касимовца Шаха-Али (Шигалей) начали переселять Мишар (мещеру) на границы Руси для обороны на Востоке к Засеченным чертам. Астраханские татары и Кубанские татары начали именоваться Ногайцами. Сибирские татары и Ногайбаки всегда являлись отдельным этносом и не относились к Половецким кыпчакам. Акмак Кеше (talk) 17:45, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

New Image

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The image currently listed for the location of Tatars has not had its population areas changed since its upload in 2006, and it is most likely subject to change. Also, the map is boxy, closer to pixel art than it is to a map. Should we replace it with a different map?
Leierkasten II (talk) 12:53, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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