User talk:Geographyinitiative

Well, that's unfortunate. When I unblocked you ([1]), I made very clear that a condition of your unblock was that you may not revert any edit more than once, and also that Please note that this is a final chance, and that any violation of these conditions or other disruption is likely to lead to the indefinite block being reinstated without further warning, and you stated your agreement to these conditions. At Sakhalin, you made three edits which at least partially removed the same disputed material each time from the lead section ([2], [3], [4]), so I'm afraid you blew that final chance, and I am reinstating the indefinite block. I believe by now you are familiar with the process for appealing a block, but if you need to refresh your memory, that's at the guide to appealing blocks. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 22:27, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Seraphimblade: Thanks for working with me. I am willing to self-revert any of my edits if they violate my unblock conditions. My interaction with the editor led to a situation where the editor said "the last edit seems benign, even preferred". The earliest edit was part of a removal of several similar additions of Chinese characters to the lead sections of Russian articles a while back- I link to another article where I make a similar edit. The more recent edit concerning simplified/traditional was about a specific argument related to what should be displayed in the lead section as historically connected to the subject matter for the article. The third edit is described by the other editor in this way: "the last edit seems benign, even preferred", and the content is still up and not removed, but moved to a more appropriate location. Can you see how I might think this is acceptable behavior within the scope of the unblock conditions? Geographyinitiative (talk) 22:57, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

From that, I can see what you were thinking, but it still wasn't within it. You still removed the same material from the lead three times, and you still agreed you weren't going to do that any more. The agreement was not "I won't revert more than once unless I'm really convinced I'm right", nor even "I won't revert more than once unless it convinces someone else I'm right". You agreed not to do that any more, and you did. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 23:06, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Seraphimblade: Thanks for your help man. I understand what you're saying, and I apologize if I abused your trust in me. I guess they really are reverts, so I didn't fulfil your conditions. I want to try to unblock again, so I will make my request here. Thanks for your efforts working with me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geographyinitiative (talk • contribs)

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Request reason:

After several years, I got unblocked from Wikipedia. It was awesome, and I was making great strides in my area of expertise. But unfortunately, I accidentally violated a condition for my unblock: I had a 1RR limit and did two reverts- one partial, and one that moved the content to another part of the article- that I thought were good faith work on the page. The other editor involved said "the last edit seems benign, even preferred". I think my recent edits both on Wikipedia and my longer history on Wiktionary and Wikimedia Commons show you that I'm a good editor with a lot to contribute, and hence I would like to request unblock again (oops!). I apologize for breaking the conditions of my unblock by doing those reverts. I can agree to do the same conditions again or similar (with the now clearer understanding that this kind of behavior I did is a revert too), or whatever you think is best. I'm sorry. Thanks for any consideration. Check out this discussion thread I started today which is getting all kinds of interesting and encyclopedia-building replies: Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#Tibet's Northern Boundary in 1820. Check out this big thread too, from last month: Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Humanities/2023 June 9#Outer Manchuria. Oh man, what a joy it was to be editing again on Wikipedia! Geographyinitiative (talk) 00:43, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

I don't think you had anything other than good intentions here, nothing nefarious- but ultimately you broke the conditions for an unblock, and I don't think this request is sufficient to return. Maybe agreeing to a 0RR restriction would help- but trust is a big issue here. 331dot (talk) 06:41, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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@331dot: Thanks for looking at this. You talk about trust in the denial, as the main reason to deny. Could you elaborate on that? I did over 1000 positive edits on Wikipedia after I was unblocked with no incident, and two of those were over the line of my conditions for unblock, though the ultimate result was approved by the other editor who said "the last edit seems benign, even preferred". What makes you feel that you can't trust me? Those two edits? The final form of that page with my changes is still up, by the way- it was part of the collaborative process of editing with someone that didn't agree with me, not nefarious. Thanks for any reply. Please really tell me what you mean by lack of trust, and look at my long work on Wiktionary. What do you mean you can't trust me? What's not to trust, specifically? Can you look at my history and say "this person is doing much more harm than good"? If I'm doing more good than harm, and the final result on that page was approved by the other editor involved, then my God, where's the trust issue? The other editor involved agrees with the final result on that page, with my change. That editor doesn't like me, but my edits are good enough for them that they're still up, even though they were over the line of the unblock conditions. It seems strange to ban for making a change on a page where the other editor says: "the last edit seems benign, even preferred"- I found a solution to the differences between us and implemented it. I improved the encyclopedia and the other person agrees. That's good, not bad! That was a positive result. Thanks. Geographyinitiative (talk) 09:26, 16 July 2023 (UTC) (Modified)[reply]

Another editor saying that your edit was helpful doesn't erase the breaking of the unblock conditions that you agreed to. This makes it harder to trust your words without additional gestures(like 0RR). However, I will not stand in the way of someone else unblocking you(though that is my view only, I do not speak for the blocking admin). 331dot (talk) 10:26, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Today I learned that removing content that had been in place for months with many intervening edits and moving content from one section to another are both considered reverts. Not what I would have guessed in either case. An opinion on the block itself is above my paygrade, but I would have made the same mistake. Folly Mox (talk) 14:16, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I also wouldn't have guessed that moving information from one section to another is considered a revert. I don't think they should have been reblocked over this, but that's not a decision I get to make. Megathonic (talk) 01:15, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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(t · c) buidhe 02:39, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

unblock|1=Today I was particularly struck by the fact that I could probably provide a pretty clear explanation for Wikipedia's Aihui_District#Republic_of_China for the administrative evolution of Aihui District, Heilongjiang, China because of my work at Aihui on Wiktionary. I found an old article from 1983 that really makes clear (in English) what they did that year, which was later basically reversed in 1993; the Wikipedia article describes the situation as "complicated". (Also, the section needs to be split up; it absurdly includes modern PRC history under ROC history.) Moreover, I have access to a LARGE collection of quotations and citations that I have added to Wiktionary, which has lead me to being one of the top 100 Wiktionarians by edit count- see [5]. I believe I could tap into my extremely vast collection of citations [6] and information on Wiktionary to add additional valuable information to Wikipedia. My focus would still be on Wiktionary, but I would add valuable info to Wikipedia. I would try to avoid causing any problems as previously; I have not been blocked for an edit war in a long time. Thanks for your consideration, I'm really interested in doing some more work on Wikipedia! @Seraphimblade and 331dot: I am inclined to unblock, as it has been quite some time, but requesting your input first. Thank you, Newyorkbrad (talk) 20:06, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I probably would as well. 331dot [7]] (talk) 20:12, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Will the editing restrictions imposed by Seraphimblade (1RR, max of 4 posts in a talk page thread and no edits to Democratic Progressive Party) in the previous unblock still apply? User has been blocked seven times now, and my experience with this user is that they simply do not drop the stick. Meters (talk) 21:13, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not saying I deserve your support. However, I think I could do some high-quality, meaningful editing. If you don't unblock, I 100% understand, that's okay. I just got this crazy idea today like: wow, I could make some improvements if I was able to edit Wikipedia. Thanks again! Geographyinitiative (talk) 21:25, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm simply asking if the previous conditions would apply. I didn't say I would oppose an unblock, but I might oppose if this were to be an unblock without conditions. Meters (talk) 21:43, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm not really sure, I don't want to waste any of your time. Let me just withdraw this request. I kind of did this on a lark. Geographyinitiative (talk) 21:58, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So, you'd rather withdraw your unblock request than entertain the possibility of being unblocked with the same restrictions that you previously had (and if I remember correctly, most of which you actually proposed)? Interesting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meters (talk • contribs) 22:09, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I mistakenly made the unblock request above without really thinking about anything. If you read it, it doesn't sound like a normal unblock request. Every once in a while I get a funny feeling in my bones like, "Yeah, I should try to get unblocked on Wikipedia." It's like a missing foot or hand, but you have the ghost sensation something's there- like a Phantom limb. Anyway, I'm just too embarrassed to really try to proceed, I'm afraid I will mess it up again. But thanks for your comments! Geographyinitiative (talk) 00:36, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's been a while, so I'd at least think about an unblock, but I would agree that the unblock conditions remaining in place would not be negotiable. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 01:46, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize for making the unblock request, again, I made the request by accident on a whim. Thanks! Geographyinitiative (talk) 10:09, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, you didn't make a lengthy unblock request "by accident". You may have done so "on a whim", "without really thinking about anything", and you may now think of it as a bad idea, but an accident it was not. I stand by what I wrote in 2020 during an unsuccessful unblock request for your first indef: the editor was more interested in getting his way than in actually reaching consensus. Much mouthing of good intentions, but accompanied by pushing things to the breaking point... Meters (talk) 21:55, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks guys for your insights, but from my internal perspective, I literally just said to myself: "wow, I wish I could improve this part of Wikipedia, maybe I could try to get unblocked". I have that thought process every once in a while, and this time it bubbled over into a request. I apologize for causing a ruckus. I just enjoy editing a lot, I learn a lot of stuff when editing. Don't worry about me, I am fine. Maybe I will try again to be unblocked at some point, but I'm really more afraid that I will mess up again than anything else, which is why I withdrew this request. Best wishes to you guys, I understand everything you're saying. Geographyinitiative (talk) 22:07, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]