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“The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." - Mark Twain

We all have seen the graph that is making the rounds. The question posed. The assumptions made. I have seen the speculation. Many have weighed in, offering their takes, their conclusions. But now I’d like to offer my perspective, one that is shaped from a place that is both deeply personal and uniquely informed.

No, I don’t believe this is the end.

It’s a moment. To pause, to reflect, and to remember why this place exists in the first place. It’s an intake of breath before the first step. It’s a chance. A precipice. An opportunity to rebuild, but not just for the sake of survival, but because what has been built here matters. Because Stack Overflow remains something rare. It’s human. It’s messy. And it’s beautiful.

This isn’t just a website. It’s a community. A place where people come together not just to solve problems, but to share what they’ve learned, to connect, to help each other grow. It’s imperfect, sure. People disagree, mistakes are made, and sometimes it’s not as smooth as we’d like it to be. But that’s what makes it real.

That’s not something you find everywhere. It’s not something you can replicate with a machine. Because it’s driven by something machines don’t have: empathy, curiosity, and the willingness to help a stranger.

I know things aren’t perfect right now. The once-unrelenting tidal wave of knowledge sharing has slowed to a trickle, and it feels like the world is moving faster than ever, leaving places like this behind. But I don’t see this as the end. I see it as a turning point. A chance to reflect on what’s been built here over the last 17 years - a place that’s survived on one simple, powerful idea: that knowledge should be shared freely, and that human connection is at the heart of learning. That mission hasn’t changed. And it’s still just as important today as it was when this all began.

We’ve all been there, those first uncertain steps of discovery or the frustration of problem-solving when the sheer volume of information leaves you unsure of which path to take. This place serves as a lighthouse in those moments of uncertainty, a guiding hand when you’re reaching out in the dark. Here, unlike anywhere else, seekers are never truly alone. It’s about the person on the other side of the screen. Someone who’s walked the same path, faced the same challenges, and is willing to share their hard-earned wisdom. That connection isn’t just valuable; it’s irreplaceable.

So no, I don't see this moment as the end, but the possibility of what could be. A chance to take everything we’ve learned - the good, the bad, and the messy - and use it to move forward. To double down on what makes Stack Overflow unique. To remember that this isn’t just a website. It’s a community. A place where people come not just to solve problems, but to connect. To collaborate. To build something bigger than themselves.

This is our chance to create something new. To embrace a fresh start, a bold reimagining, driven by the same enduring mission. To take the lessons of the past and shape a brighter future. A future where the community not only survives but thrives. A place that is stronger and more resilient than before. This is a moment to rebuild and to reimagine what this place could be. Not just for those who are here now, but for those who come after, seeking the same light, the same guidance, the same connection. This is the time to create something extraordinary. A space that continues to inspire, and in a world increasingly driven by automation, reminds everyone what humans can achieve when they come together.

And that’s why this matters. This place serves as a reminder of what it means to be human. It’s not always easy, and it’s not always perfect, but it’s real. And that’s why I’m not giving up. I still believe. Because what happens here matters. It matters to the people who come here looking for answers, and it matters to the people who stay to share them. This place is a testament to the power of human connection, and that’s something worth fighting for. That’s something worth believing in.

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    This could maybe rather have been posted as an Answer on this Post: Do you agree with Gergely that "Stack Overflow is almost dead"? Commented Jan 20 at 15:28
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    @chivracq It could have been, but I wanted to give space for people to respond. Commented Jan 20 at 15:31
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    "This isn’t just a website. It’s a community." How can it be where isn't really any way that people communicate with each other directly. The only thing we ever had for that is chat and the only community that ever existed on SO is those various little cliques created by chat users. Which is a tiny minority compared to all users of the site. Yet the company keeps yapping about this supposed community that doesn't exist and never did - to the point where I put the word 'community' in the very center of by buzzword bingo ticket. Commented Jan 20 at 15:50
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    Also, in the next second after posting some blog with lies about the love for the community, the company somehow always finds a way to take a dump on said supposedly existing community with some AI trash experiment, ignoring all "community" feedback, ignoring common sense, ignoring any form expertise for how to build web sites. Why a significant part of the supposed community has left the site. Not because of GenAI, not because of site feature-this-and-that, but because they don't trust the company. Trust has been permanently erased. Stop talking about communities. It is offensive. Commented Jan 20 at 15:55
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    @Lundin, I disagree. A community is a group of people who share the same goals, interests, or mission. It's a place where individuals come together to contribute to the whole. Sharing is the common thread and think that describes this place perfectly. Commented Jan 20 at 16:02
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    As for sharing, the company's idea of sharing seems to be selling the already public licensed material for money to evil AI corporations while blocking data dump API access to those who actually wrote the material... Sharing = stealing someone else's work without attribution and selling it for personal gain, right? Commented Jan 20 at 16:16
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    @Bella_Blue "A community is a group of people who share the same goals, interests, or mission" - by that measure SE is not a part of the community but explicitly antagonistic to it, as SE is working directly against community goals on several fronts (see for example the LLM trash, or hastily coded "experiments" that are pushed through even if the community tells SE they absolutely hate them). It is also abundantly clear that SE management is on a mission to get a return on the $1.8B investment, which the community doesn't care about and which directly leads to some of the above conflicts. Commented Jan 20 at 16:40
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    Side note - shouldn't the "company-update" tag be used for, well, actual updates by the company? This instead seems to be a personal "vibes" post and not an update by SE, as it is written from a personal perspective. Commented Jan 20 at 17:34
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    “The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." Mark Twain died over a hundred years ago. Reports of his death are no longer exaggerated. Interpret the metaphor however you want, I suppose. Commented Jan 20 at 19:51
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    Moderator note: Reminder to please post an answer if you want to respond to this discussion topic. The comments on the question itself are not well-suited to multiple back-and-forth discussions. Commented Jan 21 at 7:20
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    "Human" this and "human" that but SO keep trying to make it NOT human by forcing AI everywhere. "Community" this and "community" that but SO have been actively acting against the community for years now. "Opportunity" this and "turning point" that but all I see is a company panicking because the money stopped flowing, and now they resort to the very few users left (after they drove away all the others) in a last desperate attemp to keep the wheel turning by appealing to the very same principles that they've been ignoring for a decade now. Sorry that you as an individual have to endure this. Commented Jan 21 at 12:48
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    Another Moderator Note: We have had multiple flags accusing this post of being AIGC. We have investigated and have not found that to be the case. Further flags will be declined. Commented Jan 22 at 14:46
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    "A community is a group of people who share the same goals, interests, or mission. It's a place where individuals come together to contribute to the whole." As a person who was a consistent contributor who felt pushed out by the forced licensing changes, the actions taken against Monica, and the reduction of capabilities, I think this is a tone-deaf and galling post. I would love to be a part of a StackOverflow community of helpful people, but I earnestly believe that the company sees us as little manipulable disposable factories of monetizable content. What a disappointment SO has become. Commented Jan 26 at 16:57
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    We hope that you finally stop ignoring our feedback, that you stop pushing features that no one likes... But no, all we get are these pointless motivational speeches. Commented Jan 27 at 13:55
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    Community Manager Shog9 knew how to move mountains, but the company saw fit to fire him, Robert Cartaino, and Monica Cellio. They completely ignored "community" then. That was back when SO was handling over a million questions per year. If I'm exaggerating, I stand corrected. The company had the golden goose, they gorged its throat until the liver–the organ of life– burst. It's all words, words, words from well-meaning employees who just don't get it. Commented Jan 27 at 19:46

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This place serves as a reminder of what it means to be human.

I get reminded of that every time I see a mod or a user who's gotten away over the years with CoC violations without ever getting a single suspension for it. Just today before you posted I raised a flag for, again, successive personal attacks and - I've seen that one same user do the exact same thing year after year with no repercussions. It seems I'm supposed to write a summary, do research, and send the CMs an email after I've built a case, but... I actually have a real life and it's not my problem to solve and it's not my job to lose an hour or two for what, in all likelihood, no one is going to act on. And that's a regular user, how about when mods have been at it? Selectively breaking the CoC, declining flags when their buddies do personal attacks against random users...? Yep, can't expect anyone to reprehend a mod...

So that's one possible sum-up of being human, and since I select to not take that crap IRL when I can avoid it I won't be wasting my time with toxic mods nor toxic users empowered by said mods. I'll let it rot, is that fair enough? Because some of those especially toxic mods post where the CMs post, and everyone turns a blind eye, and: said mods weren't elected they were appointed. Keep those mods, and later ask why users are leaving. Do I need to explain the causality?

So after 7 years on SO being a registered user, and having been a regular of Joel's blog before SO was launched, I was surprised how humanly poor the metas are. Do I need to point out old posts by staff being verbally and explicitly elitist verbatim? (Now staff has a problem? Weren't they elite?! Then let them elite their way right out of it... Where are all those elitists now that things aren't working out anymore @Bella_Blue?) I proposed some of those posts be deleted to save the next generation of users the displeasure of reading such offensive stuff, my proposal was peer suppressed and deleted and the CoC violations were left to stand in the comments. Keep the elitist posts and the appointed mods; be my guest, lady go right ahead!

So every time I open the metas, I'm given more than enough reason to not want to have anything to do with this place.

To take the lessons of the past and shape a brighter future.

I haven't seen any real "community building". Where is it? I must have missed it... (Maybe some bff chatter in a mod only room?! Is that where community is built?) But that flag I raised today is getting declined for sure: no CoC violation here.

That’s something worth believing in.

I just don't believe the CMs. There used to be only 3 of them, now we've had dozens but I haven't seen anything about community building.

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    If I got the right flag, I checked it and I can't find any personal attacks. Maybe it's a problem of written text in which it's difficult to convey emotions. Mods do handle COC violations, which doesn't mean a suspension every time. By a personal attack, I understand something like "you are stupid" or "your face is ugly". I.e. it insults the person for who they are. Commented Jan 21 at 12:27
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    @Dharman I've had a heavy conscience because I saw your last two posts on MSO but didn't answer them directly, I just didn't find the snap/queue that would let the prose flow freely. In part the reasons are as they read above, I don't believe the CMs would act against mods (not even admonish them) for obvious and consistent CoC violations or letting key users harass others consistently. I don't believe for 1 second the "contact us form" would have any effect in 99% of cases. So curating, more system changes, none solves community problems. That'd have been my conclusion answering your posts. Commented Jan 21 at 15:36
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    Maybe make notes of such abuses as you see them so that you can just send a document in a minute or two when you finally feel moved to flag rather than waiting until you are moved to flag something and then have to spend hours collecting data/evidence? Also, it's hard to value the argument of "<defined recourse> probably won't work" when you admit in the same sentence you never tried pursuing <defined recourse>. Commented Jan 21 at 17:08
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    @bad_coder I received a written warning once. One of the SO mods lost their mod diamond for power abuse. Maybe they give us a bit more lenience but it has it's boundaries too. We are not beyond the rules. Commented Jan 21 at 17:48
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    Hey, it seems like something is troubling you, and I really want to help. I really encourage you to reach out through the Contact Us button (feel free to put ATT: Bella_Blue) so I can look into it, or if you’d rather chat, I’m here and happy to talk things through. Whatever works best for you! Commented Jan 21 at 20:40
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    @bad_coder; if it helps, I remember Dharman when they were much grumpier 😆 Commented Jan 21 at 21:52
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    But I'd probably advise you to delete this post. It's not really an answer to the question, more of a general rant against everything. I would have confidence it can be sorted out privately, whatever it is. Commented Jan 21 at 21:52
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    I can relate to this problem on some parts of Stack Exchange that deal with inherently less objective topics, but not here on Stack Overflow. Commented Jan 21 at 23:41
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    If it's a problem with a moderator, you are not just allowed to report it, you're pretty much obligated to do so. If a moderator is really overstepping their authority, or being abusive, then that needs to be dealt with. So please do. Commented Jan 22 at 8:24
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    @Cerbrus "obligated" I don't think so. like bad_coder said, it's not an effortless task. but I'd encourage it. and I expect the trust and safety team / bella would take it seriously. they're very much behind the scenes, but my impression from the bits I see is that they do very good work. Commented Jan 23 at 5:13
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    @starball I'd call it a moral obligation, tbh Commented Jan 23 at 9:32
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