Hi Dmitry,
On 25 Jul, 2014, at 6:09 am, Dmitry Stogov <dmitry@zend.com> wrote:
> any one may vote according to their thoughts
> I'm not going to persuade any one.
> I already know the opinion of the majority.
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> Unfortunately, now many people lessen to the guys who speaks a lot.
> I was never able to do it :), but ... look into results we provide.
> They are more expressive than any words.
First of all, kudos for all the hard you and the team have been putting into this :)
From a developer’s point of view it would be nice to see a write-up of some of the changes that
were made to the API's; I’m currently aware of the array (hash) API changes which are
definitely an improvement over the old one, but there may be more that could also use an “idiom
conversion guide”.
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> On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 1:39 AM, Kris Craig <kris.craig@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Dmitry Stogov <dmitry@zend.com> wrote:
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>>> one week - two weeks - months - years.
>>> I'll wait.
>>> I know what I'm doing. I'll make it.
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>>> Dmitry.
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>>> On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 12:26 AM, Pierre Joye <pierre.php@gmail.com>
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>>>> On Jul 24, 2014 10:13 PM, "Dmitry Stogov" <dmitry@zend.com> wrote:
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>>>>> agree,
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>>>>> I just don't see any blockers, except for Pierre.
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>>>> Come on Dmitry, I am not the only who has asked that.
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>> Just to throw in my usual two-cents, it seems to me that this RFC is very
>> premature. It's the same sort of over-eagerness I saw in the front-page
>> news post a few weeks back. I understand what you guys are trying to
>> accomplish and I applaud you for it, but as far as I can see, it's still
>> quite a ways away from being ready for prime time. And yet, you seem to be
>> acting like it's already there.
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>> Aside from the code needing to be ready/tested, you also need to have a
>> more matured collaboration with community folks outside your project like
>> Pierre, which at the moment appears to be downright hostile. Even if the
>> code looked great and everything else was in place, I would never vote to
>> switch over to such a drastic new schema when there's this much animosity
>> and controversy surrounding it. I keep reading complaints about questions
>> being ignored and conflicting stories about secrecy and process. I also
>> think there's some merit to the concern raised about the ambiguity being a
>> prelude to patches being rejected over trivial concerns.
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>> I think you guys need to slow down and mend a few fences if you want to
>> make this happen. As much as I like the goals of this project, I'm forced
>> to vote -1 for now, as well. I just think you're jumping the gun when
>> there are too many unanswered questions/concerns still out there.
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>> --Kris
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Best,
Tjerk