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It is not going to be a surprise to anyone here when I say that we need to talk about engagement. A number of the product initiatives from 2025 and into 2026 have focused on experimenting with reducing the barrier to entry and engagement when it comes to voting, participating in chat, etc. But product and platform updates are just the tip of the iceberg.

The Community Management Team (CMs) knows that engagement is on your mind too. We’ve seen it in thoughtful posts here, on MSO, and on other Meta sites. CMs have also had many conversations with moderators and community members around this topic. We’d like to take this even further this year.

CMs will continue to support Product and Engineering on platform initiatives, but we are going to be pulling back a bit on the amount of time we spend there. We want to carve out more time for engagement with the current communities on the platform so we can work with you on helping you solve for the challenges you’re facing on the different sites across the network.

Our team has been engaging with moderators across the network for years in the form of AMAs, office hours in chat, etc. We will continue doing so, but we want to expand that engagement to the larger communities across the public network sites this year (beyond just their mods). We want to hear what your non-product* challenges are, whether it’s struggling to keep current members participating on site, not feeling you have a way to share and promote your communities to prospective members, not having people who are interested in moderating, etc.

If you have some general thoughts please share them on this post, but know that we’re going to be reaching out to individual communities in the near future.


* By "product" challenges I'm referring to issues with tooling, the platform experience etc. the types of issues people typically add a bug or feature request tag to and mods might status-review. By non-product challenges I'm referring to things like engagement/participation on sites, not having enough community members interested in moderating, etc.

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Please can you finish an engagement project, before you start on the next one. The recent experiments (Comments, Open-ended Questions, Challenges, 1-Rep Chat, Free Votes) on Stack Overflow, that are all unfinished, is not a good experience for anyone.

Moving on to the next one, without finishing the last, really leaves things in an often broken state, or at best detrimental state. Also, when another experiment is started on, the prior experiment loses the development resource and focus it needed to actually be successful in the eyes of the community; both new and old.

I'm all for new ways for lower reputation users to engage, but this should not be at the detriment of the long term users that those users, and Stack Exchange Inc, rely on for their expertise.

Also, just because Stack Overflow has the largest number of users doesn't mean it should always be the place to experiment, and the end point for that experiment. Free votes could be useful on all sites, but they aren't. Threaded comments, though I admit I hate (see my many posts on Stack Overflow Meta on why, but they are seriously detrimental to site usage in their current form), when complete could easily be useful on other sites as well. Last I heard neither of these experiments are expected to leave Stack Overflow.

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    Yeah, that's going in the same direction as my reaction after reading the OP. The community gave tons of great actionable feedback for the recent experiments, but most of that was seemingly ignored, or at the very least not acted upon (maybe because most of it was not something SE wanted to hear). So maybe instead of doing AMAs etc and collecting more input from the community that will then be ignored or only acted upon very selectively, SE should go through the backlog of all of the feedback they got but ignored. Commented Jan 22 at 15:57
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    Thanks @larnu these are all platform and product experiments. They are still being worked on and we're not abandoning further updates on these and evaluating their impact over time. What I'm specifically speaking to is engagement and outreach lead by the Community Managers. We're going to be focusing on helping communities with engagement, participation, and other concerns communities are flagging that our team can help tackle. Commented Jan 22 at 16:00
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    Don't forget the unfinished AI-something-something project and the unfinished SO front page vandalism project and the upcoming snake oil & porn for everyone project and the upcoming Windows 3.1 hot dog theme redesign project. I'm probably forgetting 6-8 other projects too. Commented Jan 22 at 16:02
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    @Rosie extremely basic things that would be very simple to resolve, like the bad "over a year ago" timestamps in the new comments design, are still unresolved. That means these things are either a) effectively abandoned, b) deliberate bad design decisions, or c) worked on with such a snails pace that it might as well be abandoned. That's just one example, you can find many more if you read through the highly upvoted answers of the experiment announcements. Commented Jan 22 at 16:09
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    I'd argue in a sense these projects have a direct and measurable effect on how the community sees y'all. While I am a proponent of "boots on the ground" CMs, the impact of these projects (negative or positive) does affect how the community reacts to folks from the companies. Commented Jan 22 at 16:10
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    I'd also ponder looking at how follow up on directly community facing projects are, and how connected y'all are. 1 rep chat and the lobbies come to mind Commented Jan 22 at 16:47
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    Put another way, more engagement by CMs with the community is great– but it's not removed from or enough to counter the many half-baked "in-progress" projects that the community feels slighted by. We need more than engagement, and we need more than experiments. Just speaking for myself, much faith would be restored via the simple demonstration that the company is committed to finishing projects, following up on community feedback, and engaging honestly about their intents and constraints instead of the same "bring all your feedback!" post inevitably followed by 🦗 noises weeks later. Commented Jan 22 at 16:55
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    If the community feels slighted by lack of communication and follow-through, then more engagement isn't enough to fix the issue. It's absolutely positive, don't get me wrong– but the projects matter too. Commented Jan 22 at 16:56
  • Not even mentioning that running multiple experiments at once makes the results of all of them useless. Commented Jan 27 at 13:34
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    I'm not so on side with that it makes them all useless @OrangeDog , but I think it does lower engagement from the community. I turned experiments off on Stack Overflow because of the Comments Experiment. I would actually want to participate in the open-ended questions, however, I'm implicitly opted out of that too because I don't want the new comments UI. One bad, flawed, and incomplete experiment means I cannot participate in the others, even if I wanted to; enabling experiments to participate in those would result in too much detriment from the one(s) I don't want to participate in. Commented Jan 27 at 13:39
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    @Larnu in an actual experiment, you change a single variable and see how everything else responds compared to a control. With this, they're pulling every lever they can think of and then guessing which one did what (if anything). Commented Jan 27 at 13:41
  • Most of these experiments that I've listed don't interact though, @OrangeDog . 1-rep votes, 1-rep chat, Comments, Open-Ended questions don't actually affect each other. Open-Ended questions, though do (or at least did) have comments, they're actually not displayed (which is wonderful as an interaction), and force users to use threaded answers. The solution looks similar to the nested comments solution, but it's actually an entirely different (broken) mess. Commented Jan 27 at 13:45
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    @Larnu they all affect the same thing, the thing that they're being judged on: engagement metrics Commented Jan 27 at 14:22
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We want to hear what your non-product challenges are

Yes, all the time, over and over and over. You want to hear, but you don't want to do anything about the things you hear. See this.

Our non-product challenge is this: we only ever interact with CMs and middle management who either don't listen to feedback or don't have the power to do anything about it.

Stop asking for feedback! There are TONS of feedback, all over the metas, hundreds upon hundreds of pages of it! For each experimental feature there are at least 2-3 meta threads filled with feedback. Which is completely ignored most of the time.

Instead of listening to the requested feedback, some one-dimensional person just runs a bunch of strange usage statistics tests and draw strange conclusions based on it. "When we did this, engagement went up by 2.42%." You can't design sites like that, making all design decisions by jumping to conclusions by statistics. I heard quoting Mark Twain is popular these days: "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics".

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    Maybe SO keeps asking for feedback because they haven't heard the answers they want. Commented Jan 23 at 23:47
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I don’t intend this to be negative, but rather an opportunity to address a concern that I’m fairly sure isn’t just mine.

What makes this time different from all the other times the CM team attempted to get some momentum and got the rug pulled out from under them? I have provided and voted on a ton of feedback over the past 11 years, and despite the best intentions of the CM team, it never seems to have an impact. From the outside, it doesn’t seem like the CM team has the power to do anything.

Since you’ve couched this as a problem communities are going to solve with your help, instead of a problem the company is going to solve with the community’s help, does that mean non-trilogy sites are finally going to get more autonomy?

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I appreciate the communication and desire to improve lines of communication with the community. At the same time... I confess that I find this approach a little puzzling.

From where I sit, the community has given a ton of feedback, and it seems like it's rarely acted on. I find it hard to perceive the point of spending more time asking the community for feedback and dialogue, when the time that the community has already spent on dialogue doesn't seem to have a clear positive payoff. I find it hard to see the point of responding to such calls for discussion, when many have already tried communicating and it feels like it rarely goes anywhere. There must be some ideas in your mind about what is to be gained, but it's hard for me to understand.

To put it another way: in my view, it seems to me like the core issues are product issues, or can't be separated from product issues. So it's not clear to me what there is to be gained by taking some time away from supporting developers on product initiatives, to talk to people here.

Y'all have visibility and experience I don't have. So I'm sure there's a reason it makes sense. It's just beyond me.

I'm not sure what is the path forward. I realize this isn't very constructive feedback, because it doesn't suggest what would be a better way forward. If there isn't developer time to improve the product, then there isn't developer time, and I'm not sure what there is to be done.

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    to be fair (though this isn't always the case), the issues we collectively or individually find important can change over time- for reasons that might be internal or external of ourselves. I can speak for myself and say some things have changed for me in both those domains in the last year. ex. maybe a feature request I upvoted 3 years ago isn't something I care about or think makes sense anymore. there aren't (as far as I know) super good ways to communicate to the company what's important to me now (if it's not the same as before) aside from... talking about it. Commented Jan 22 at 19:27
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    @starball, Thanks! Looking forward to learning more about the purpose of this initiative. If the purpose of this effort was to prioritize what improvements to make, to use limited developer resources in a way that will be of most value to the users of the site, and there are enough developer resources and commitment to follow through on them, that would be exciting. Reading the tea leaves, I'm not expecting that, but maybe I've misunderstood. Commented Jan 22 at 19:30
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    @starball I think you hit the nail with the hammer. There are many posts that have been escalated or flagged over the years and they're on the community managers' radar but priorities and needs change. We're interested in what communities need now and what they think they'll need in the near future vs what would have been nice several years ago but isn't relevant any more. Commented Jan 22 at 22:03
  • D.W., now that I think about it and jog memory, I think that's supposed to be covered by community-asks-sprints. but those are for feature requests and bugs and not "softer" community-building concerns/needs discussions (which rosie has helped me understand also as "product" vs "non-product" :) ). cc @Rosie Commented Jan 23 at 6:01
  • @starball from my PoV your comment is mostly unrelated. Of course priorities of old feature requests etc can change, but that doesn't explain the TONS of ignored recent feedback for the various SO experiments. Combine this with a "community asks" sprint implementing... a very old feature request about custom badges that the community did not ask about recently, and many mods (supposed to give out the badges) don't like - this seems exactly like one of the things which should fall through the cracks to instead spend the time on e.g. fixing comment dates, adding a "hide AI" setting, etc. Commented Jan 23 at 9:13
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    @Rosie "We're interested in what communities need now" No AI. That's extremely up-voted. Whereas every single post about AI Assist has been extremely down-voted. There you go: crystal clear community feedback. Should take you less than a day to delete the AI prompt from SO. You wanted community feedback, you got it - off you go to delete the thing. Because you wanted feedback to actually act on it right? It is not just the 99th post about the company wanting feedback then ignore it? Commented Jan 23 at 11:31
  • @Rosie Heeello? Can you please answer if asking for feedback is just more pointless empty words or if you intend to actually do something when you get feedback? The linked post in the comment above ^ has a ridiculously strong community consensus of 233 for, zero against. That's pretty much unheard of in the history of SE. Are you going to ignore it still? Commented Jan 27 at 11:44
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    @lundin our department doesn't ask for feedback as empty words. Every community member who contributes to Stack Exchange is doing so because it's something they want to do and feel strongly about. I wouldn't feel good about asking for input on something and wasting people's time if I wasn't going to listen to it, consider it, and share it with senior leadership. In this post I'm specifically asking about engagement and what the Community Management Department can help communities with this year. (1/2) Commented Jan 27 at 15:46
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    @Lundin The post you are pointing to is around a product feature. I'm not involved with that particular project but I do know that feedback has been surfaced to the team that is. I appreciate all feedback we're receiving on this post and flagging off topic feedback to the correct project owners and stakeholders. (2/2) Commented Jan 27 at 15:47
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    @Rosie It's all related. If you want engagement, you have to listen to feedback. Literally nobody wants AI Assist and yet it's force-fed to us. This is just one example of many. The new advert thing is another. The so-called "community" if one ever existed, is therefore either upset, catatonic, cynical, oblivious or have already left the site. You cannot communicate with users in any of these states. These various hated experiment projects must either get finished or cancelled very very soon. It is pointless to interact with the community until then. Commented Jan 27 at 15:56
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    Also, as stated in my posted answer: "Our non-product challenge is this: we only ever interact with CMs and middle management who either don't listen to feedback or don't have the power to do anything about it." And that's the story of any meta interaction with company staff during the past 2-3 years. So may we please speak with someone who has actual decision powers or otherwise this is just pointless feedback thread #999. Commented Jan 27 at 16:31
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    @Rosie "our department doesn't ask for feedback as empty words" - uh OK, but you have Ash over here literally saying "the users who participate on meta (comments & voting) are not representative of all users" as a reason for ignoring that request. And from an external PoV, it was completely ignored by SE - there is no staff reply of any form, not even a comment. That undermines everything you write here because even if you personally mean it, the company as a whole evidently acts differently. Commented Jan 28 at 14:23
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This is primarily focused on Stack Overflow and somewhat of a follow-up to Larnu's answer.

Generally speaking, it is good to hear that CMs want to focus more on the human side of the network. But as someone who has been deeply involved in many (engagement) experiments over the last few years--from moderating Discussions and now Challenges, to some involvement in 1-rep chat rooms, and active participation in Collectives--I have to be blunt:

You cannot build community engagement on a foundation of broken tools.

Engagement does not happen overnight, and it certainly does not happen when the platform is littered with the ghosts of previous initiatives. Moving the focus away from product initiatives right now feels like walking away from a house while the frame is exposed and up in flames.

By leaving these "features" in their broken state, you are not reducing the barrier to entry. You are breaking existing workflows and pushing away the veteran users who provide the very expertise the sites rely on. And you are failing to meaningfully replace a departing expert with new users, even if we only cared about raw numbers.

The "Half-Baked" Debt

My concern is not with change itself; I have supported some of these projects because I want the network to thrive. The problem is the cycle of abandonment. Take Discussions/Challenges as a prime example:

  • The Discussions UI was fundamentally broken for 2+ years.
  • After the feature was "retired," we were left using that same broken UI for a completely different purpose (Challenges).
  • Eight months later, and we are still dealing with that broken UI despite seeing relatively positive feedback and arguably good engagement.

Shouting into the Void

The community provides exhaustive feedback. We point out the bugs, the UI hiccups, and the moderation gaps. Yet, those announcement posts often feel like a void.

Worse, when staff does engage, it sometimes feels dismissive. I have recently seen staff (not CMs) defend initiatives by citing pseudo-stats like "thumbs-up" metrics while ignoring the inherent bias in how that data is collected, and being frankly curt with users who point out the flaws in that logic. If the plan is to "engage" more, it needs to be a two-way street that involves sharing actual, meaningful data, not just anecdotes about how "people love it" while ignoring the dissent.

Stop starting, start finishing

Before the CM team "carves out more time" to solve non-product challenges, we need a commitment to stabilize the products we already have.

  1. Pay the debt: Fix the issues you have introduced through the experiments that are currently languishing.
  2. Set Guardrails: I have written previously about setting clear standards for experiments. I would argue that establishing these standards is a non-product challenge with a direct impact on current and future products/experiments.
  3. Respect the Expertise: Stop treating long-term users as an obstacle to engagement. When in fact they are the ones who make the engagement possible.

If you want us to help you solve the challenges on the different sites, show us that our previous help, the hours spent testing and moderating your experiments, was not a waste of time.

I don't even want to get into more fundamental issues, like the fact that we are not seeing great signs of being able to work together to achieve "mutually beneficial results". Instead, we see broken promises and lack of transparency.

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    @starball one might argue one of the problems SE has is... the core functions are finished, and work pretty well - and many experiments are not. I'd say finishing here is getting things to a working state, or abandoning them, followed by the terribly boring task of keeping stuff maintained over time Commented Jan 23 at 7:54
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    I think what's really missing is a QA team. All professional companies no matter what product development they work with have these. Except SO, apparently. I doubt they even have an established software development procedure. Commented Jan 23 at 9:02
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    @starball No, there is a difference between a "living list of improvements" and leaving a product without a functional foundation. I’m asking for functional viability. When a UI remains broken for 2+ years, that isn't evaluating impact over time, it's leaving a house without a roof. We can't know if these experiments are/were good or bad because we have never actually tested a viable version. "Finishing" in this context means paying the development debt until the tool actually works as intended, rather than leaving it in a state of perpetual beta-neglect while chasing the next new project. Commented Jan 23 at 14:40
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So the bad news is you've got a big problem. I wrote about it on LinkedIn (for some reason):

The problem wasn't with questions. Stack Overflow was getting far too many questions and far too many were basically unanswerable. No the problem was the number of people willing and able to answer questions. Since Stack Overflow was developer-centered company, it naturally took a technological approach to the problem. The system was designed to filter out as many questions as possible automatically and give veteran members of the site power to close (and potentially delete) questions.

But that created a deep-seated culture of suspicion of questions. Questions, in the Stack Overflow culture, are annoyances that must be dealt with. Even now, with question levels at the level they were during the site's beta period, people in the community are terrified that bad questions will destroy everything the site stands for.

The reality is they are probably right! The community was founded from the start with a exclusionary mentality and resisted attempts to moderate. In the end it will get what it wants: a manageable stream of questions. Sadly that result comes with the consequence of very few answers of any quality.

The good news is that you're not looking for technical solutions. Or at least not solutions that require a team of developers to create. The community team is full of smart, passionate and motivated people. I don't know if you all can overcome the external forces seem arrayed against the network, but I wouldn't bet against you.

My overall advice is to adopt what I call level 3 strategy:

Trying to fix the root problems is more likely to work than the naive solution. But odds are very good your first attempt won’t work. Far too often community managers define success by completed projects rather than improved outcomes. Instead of iterating, people tend to want to declare victory when the first solution is done. Level 3 community management means having a plan if an initiative succeeds or fails. Can you fix flaws and try again? Would a different approach work better? Maybe you still need more research to understand the problem. Even ideas that succeed can be improved.

Ok. How about specific ideas, then?

Cut your losses

So I wandered back to meta because I was irritated with the new comment UI. You have data about how the experiment has worked. Is it a home run or would it be more like a sacrifice bunt? Unless you can prove a substantial increase in engagement, you should shut that experiment down. It's irritating to the existing community (if the votes mean anything) and if you don't have enough data to prove it's a winner, it probably isn't. If it is helping, you might as well implement it everywhere on the network and be done with the "will they or won't they" speculation. Other people have pointed out other experiments that ought to be evaluated in the same way.

Use Stack Exchange for experimenting

Before I was hired as a (boring) community manager, there was the CHAOS team (10k link). They did . . . chaotic things around the network. Most of what they did wasn't really productive. But since they were enthusiastic and focused attention on non-Stack Overflow sites, they community was receptive to their experiments. And since human nature doesn't change, what they learned on non-Stack Overflow sites had the potential to impact the flagship site too. Maybe things have changed since I was there, but Stack Overflow leadership was way more cautious about Stack Overflow than the rest of the network combined, so this might be the only way to try things that have the best potential to turn the ship around.

Focus on onboarding people into the existing community

Fundamentally this is a question and answer site. I used to think there was an unlimited supply of people who like to ask or answer questions (or both!) for fun, but I no longer believe that. So you have people who are desperate to get their questions answered and will never join the community (or come back to the site, if they can avoid it) and people who get some sort of enjoyment from typing in the text boxes on the network. Ignore the first group and figure out how the second group ticks. And then dedicate yourself to creating delight for that group.

Consider spinning tags off of Stack Overflow

I wrote about the idea years ago. I don't know if it's a good idea or a really, really bad one. But I do know that when I land in, say, the GitHub Discussions for a project, I feel a lot more confident that the answers I see are correct than if I see the same question on Stack Overflow. People who hang out in the more specialized platform tend to be more focused on the specific technology. I also get a stronger sense of community from the smaller group, which has the potential to be beneficial for engagement.

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    I like the idea of , and have advocated for chaos type organisations in the past. I'm not doing that this time around cause I'd like to see if SE's serious enough to invest in this kind of thing, and I'm a little burnt out with advocating for it with little result (and of course if it happened, I'd want in), A community first subteam would be a great idea but I'm not sure if we can get buy in from the company. This is one case though where being wrong about it would give me joy ;) Commented Jan 24 at 7:23
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    I have advocated before for breaking SO into smaller communities with overlap (100 small fountains instead of one giant firehose.) and think it would make a lot of problems a little easier to solve. It would be easier for people to curate content, on-board new people, and for questions to get in front of the right person at the right time. There’s no such thing as an online “community” with a million people in it. It’s at best a federation of a lot of smaller groups. Commented Jan 24 at 13:54
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    @ColleenV And then the company would get that "collection of sites, all called Stack Overflow" thing they're going for, without upsetting everyone quite so much. Commented Jan 24 at 16:09
  • What I truly don't get is why there are no test servers. There's one thing to run an experiment to see how humans react, and another thing to run it to weed out the many bugs. The latter should be done at a test server. Commented Jan 26 at 7:40
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    @Lundin main-test.stackoverflow.dev (redirected to from dev.stackoverflow.com) Commented Jan 26 at 7:48
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    @starball Then why isn't it used? Commented Jan 26 at 7:51
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    The new comment timestamps are worse than just a bug in a new feature. They are a deliberate deception to increase engagement metrics, SE admitted as much. Which I suspect is also why they didn't fix it, even after substantial complaints. All the other broken, half-finished stuff comes on top of those deliberate changes. Commented Jan 26 at 8:03
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About time ;)

One of my side projects over time has been to try to keep contact with the SE diaspora, folks who were in SE previously, in the hope of bringing the community home at the right time. Some of those communities have been away for over a decade - and many of the folks don't really believe things can be saved.

I'm a bit of an optimist, and to paraphrase the lord of the rings... perhaps, just perhaps There may be a light beyond the darkness; and if so, I would have us see it and be glad. I'm not sure what that would look like, or see clear signs of hope, but its essential to rebuild the hearts of many communities.

I think something missing - and worth considering, not just about your periods of tenure, but also the past, is to look at where the company has fallen short of building trust, where words were said but not followed up on, or wrong words were said, and how perhaps those breakages in trust be addressed, not from a place of blame, spite or recrimination, be because its the right thing to do. To understand where folks might do better, and find better ways to communicate both ways.

Rebuilding trust and goodwill's essential, cause then people talk to you, and trust you - and that's somewhere the company's done poorly for years.

That's a heavy thing to ask.

Many initiatives are focused on the new but forget the fundamentals, or the community we have - and addressing the needs of the folks who are, were or have been here would help a lot in trying to rebuild trust and re-engaging folks.

We've a decade of baggage, and it would be good to make a start of unloading it.

A lighter thing would be to try to find a community, or chat where you'd want to see activity, and see if you can hang out, and spark a conversation. Not 'just' as duty, but as part of getting to know the community better. (Admittedly, I'd pondered the idea of going to 2-3 community chats a week, throwing the floor open and seeing what happened but that might be a bit too much for most ;) )

In general better communication would help I'd say, and more natural communication.

Another long running challenge has been that smaller communities, heck anything smaller than SO tend to get ignored, and they do feel it. Trying to rebuild confidence with those communities would be nice - as a long term 'incremental' project rather than a big one. We kinda need a voice - and we don't really feel we have one a lot of the time.

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    "Rebuilding trust and goodwill's essential" That's sooo 2020. I think it is far too late for that. I think the company should focus on reality checks: sell SO to someone for a few thousand dollars and then move on. Maybe invest the money from the sale into AI-something-something, yay! With new ownership maybe we can rebuild. Assuming the new owners are either interested in profits or in running a Q&A site. Prosus is interested in neither. Commented Jan 23 at 9:30
  • tbf, the problems started before prosus -so its not entirely them. And by then we didn't really have access to the decision makers and well, we had much happier, well engaged communities then so they'd clearly gotten something right. Commented Jan 23 at 10:21
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    A normal board wouldn't just sit passively and watch their money get erased, so even if the problems started before Prosus, they are clearly in no shape to run any form of company. Also it is likely that all AI-something-something nonsense comes from the board. And the only way to get rid of that board is to sell the company. Commented Jan 23 at 11:20
  • I don't have a billion and half burning in my pocket, nor do I see SE IPOing, so maybe we could get some degree of community buy in, and maybe a seat on the board. The stuff I'm talking about however is very much something that's doable with somewhat less buy in from upper management. I'm trying to pick the battles that could be won, rather than wholesale reimagining the company. Changing attitudes, and small investments in winning over the community feels more feasable than finding a benevolent and deep pocketed new owner, for now. Commented Jan 23 at 12:46
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    It isn't worth a billion and a half, that investment is gone since long. The company will be worth a few thousand dollars or so. Maybe 1 dollar, since it is mostly about finding someone willing to take up the hot potato. Commented Jan 23 at 13:54
  • The main point being ownership and high level company politics would be out of the scope of what I was writing about. My main interests, concerns and maybe competencies are very much about things going on at ground level. Ownership and high level company things would be out of the scope of the answer. Most of the things I'd see as a start wouldn't need massive investments - just a change in mindset. Commented Jan 23 at 14:10
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    But they already tried to rebuild trust. Then the folks who did that left. Then someone else was hired and tried again. Then they left. Then they kind of stopped trying. It was the Prosus era that got rid of a whole lot of very competent staff, which would have what it takes to fix things. It's clearly not a priority for Prosus, they only want AI-something-something and the rest of the site can burn. Commented Jan 23 at 15:08
  • The problems started a lot earlier. I'd say somewhere around the tail end of when Joel was the CEO, but I get the impression it was other folks who made a lot of the decisions. I wouldn't leave it all at the Prosus ownership's feet or even the current CEO. Our problems are very deep seated and go back much further Commented Jan 23 at 15:13
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    Yes I agree but my point is that the current ownership shows no interest in actually rebuilding trust. Rather they do the opposite, over and over. The moderator strike and what was agreed then for example, is already a distant memory and not something that anyone will keep in mind when launching the next AI feature. Commented Jan 23 at 15:17
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I don't consider myself part of "the community" and I don't want to be part of "the community". That's not why I engage with Stack Exchange sites. I come here because

  1. I like solving interesting puzzles in my areas of expertise. This helps me learn and also train my problem solving skills.
  2. I like helping intelligent people. I just enjoy seeing someone learn from my answers (even if it's just signalled by a green tickmark or upvotes).

That's it. I'm not even really interested in curation (I stopped doing that years ago). If I was, I'd probably still be contributing to Wikipedia (they don't have the ick factor of being a for-profit company).

The issue now is that it's come to a point where the number of new questions is so low that it's not really worth anymore to visit daily (although currently I still do so out of habit). I don't think "community" is the solution to this problem. If I wanted to be part of a community, I have much better options and you can do nothing that would change that. "The community" is too small anyway for a viable business product. You need to offer something that makes it attractive to individuals to engage with the site. Clearly, your current offerings have become mostly obsolete.

What you are proposing might help retain the community you have (I doubt it). But that's too little too late. You are currently not attractive enough to grow your user base again. That requires some large and visionary changes, if it can be done at all. Stuff like opening chat to everyone certainly isn't that. Of course, large changes might drive away the remaining community. But you'll have to take (more intelligent) risks or it will be lights out soon.

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    I agree that the constant yapping about community-this community-that is probably one of the root causes of all problems. There's no community here as such, never was. If you would compare it to lets say a passionate social media group in some niche topic or a bunch of gamers playing a particular game: that's actual communities where people interact and make friends. There are a few subculture cliques in the various chats where people actually know each other, but that's not related to the main Q&A much at all, where engagement is all about attracting people interested in a particular topic. Commented Jan 27 at 10:51
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    @roland I appreciate your perspective. It's different than mine, however I don't think you are the only person that feels that way about what motivates you to come to this platform and participate. Ideally the platform should have opportunities to for people to engage and participate in ways that are meaningful to them. For some contributing to Q&A is enough and all they want to do. For others they may be drawn to the new challenges feature on SO. Writing challenges or participating in trying to solve them is appealing to some. (1/2) Commented Jan 27 at 15:48
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    For others they do want to participate in chat, become moderators, or curate. Community shouldn't be a one size fits all. It's one of the reasons I've posed this question and why are team is going to spend more time reaching out to the different communities across the platform. Everyone's needs and interests are different and the more feedback we receive, the more information we have to advocate for and build spaces to allow people to participate in a way that is meaningful to them. (2/2) Commented Jan 27 at 15:49
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    @Rosie "become moderators, or curate" That should never be someone's core motivation for using the site, or they are probably actively harmful. The very idea of "I use this site only for meta/to moderate things" is true for a lot of users on SO and that's part of the big culture problems of that specific site: lots and lots of people who would rather close one post too many than one too few. People should be using a site because they care about programming, or puzzles, or whatever. And because they care about that, they may care about moderation as a side-effect. Commented Jan 27 at 16:20
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There's a fine line between a product and non-product challenge... someone from SOCorp will post a heavily criticised product "experiment", respond to some feedback for usually a maximum of 48 hours and then the meta post is more or less response silent until the experiment gets labelled as a success.

How will this community engagement initiative change that and how is it different to similar initiatives that have come before?

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    this isn't about product experiments? is it not explicitly about discussion of what we see as our current, non-product community needs? Commented Jan 23 at 9:26
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    @starball - It isn't about the product, but doesn't the community engagement with the meta post(s) fall under this remit? Commented Jan 23 at 9:28
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CMs will continue to support Product and Engineering on platform initiatives, but we are going to be pulling back a bit on the amount of time we spend there

Which is good but it's worth considering getting folks more directly working in/with the networks from product and engineering cross-working with community.

Historically, we had an almost constant presence of folks from across the company working directly and comfortably with the community. Some of them were community hires, others folks who moved sideways from community related jobs to dev and SRE. Yet others just... came in and were good at working with the community. Generally when they moved on though, they were incredibly good at what they did but never really replaced.

It would be nice to have more platform initiatives focused on community needs and communication, with the folks working on it taking charge on communications, rather than having CMs being quasi PMs.

It would also be good to have ongoing work on building and retaining community facing communication skills.

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  • Surely there are other words besides "folks" conveying the message so that you don't need to use it 4 times ;) but as an edit it was somewhat of an overstepping, apologies. Commented Jan 26 at 14:08
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    Well - In this case, especially considering some of the points I talk about over time, and certain recent events, intentionally avoiding the term staff was intentional. I didn't want to use staff because in this case an essential point I was trying to make was to avoid silos, both in terms of staff and non staff, and traditionally/formally community facing roles vs more back end roles. Commented Jan 26 at 14:29
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    People, familiar faces, individuals, etc. But we're not writing a novel here; if it conveys the meaning and is grammatically sound, the rest becomes a matter of taste. Commented Jan 26 at 16:43

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