Talk:Java Edition 1.17

MarioProtIV removed a large portion of text from this page on the justification that it will be sent to the 1.18 article. Perhaps it's just me, but shouldn't we wait on this until we know how the update will be split? Mojang never explicitly said that "part 2" will be called 1.18. It could be a sub-version of 1.17 for all we know. |\| () |\/| /\ |) | Talk | Discord | NMC 15:44, 14 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I suggest we make a page titled "Java Edition Caves & Cliffs Part Two" or something like that, and make a redirect from Java Edition 1.18. TheYouInYouTube | ^{(talk|contribs)} 15:51, 14 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I like the idea of C&C Parts 1 & 2 (vs. 1.17 and 1.18) SirDaddicus (talk) 17:32, 15 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Kinda agreed with that idea. Either way, Mario split the article before anyone even brought up the topic... this should be discussed further. |\| () |\/| /\ |) | Talk | Discord | NMC 15:55, 14 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

A page on whatever the second part of the update will constitute already appears to have been created at the page name Minecraft 1.18. Personally I would rename the aforementioned page to one of the suggestions above, obviously leaving a redirect behind as it would be commonly searched, and also having a redirect to whatever the Minecraft 1.18 is renamed to at Java Edition 1.18. The gamer 987654321 (talk) 16:03, 14 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Please note, Mojang haven't said about version for two part of Caves & Cliffs will be 1.18 or 1.17.1 So wait for Mojang confirmation that two part will be 1.18 or 1.17.1 Glenstevens1231 (talk) 16:02, 14 April 2021 (UTC) I mean given the amount they postponed its virtually impossible they would move to to 1.17.x.. --MarioProtIV (talk) 16:06, 14 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I don't feel sonething so big, like increasing height will be in a minor version, that is pretty "absurd". I feel spliting this to 2 pages shouldn't be done yet, so we can prevent people from insering facts (so we can minimize vandalism on the wiki) --TreeIsLife (talk) 16:23, 14 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Probably into 1.18 and 1.17. World gen stuff is coming in december. Other stuff is coming in summer sometime.

Archaeology being delayed beyond 1.18

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YgKUZnUyak Highlandhill (talk) 22:07, 14 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

 Support splitting because they said that they would be 2 separate releasesHumiebee^{talk contribs} 22:09, 14 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

 Support splitting per above. The update has two releases, ergo two pages. TheYouInYouTube | ^{(talk|contribs)} 22:49, 14 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

 Weak support per the above, but I'd wait for confirmation that the second wave is called 1.18 before committing to such a change. -- PanchamBro (SansUT1) (talk • contributions) 03:04, 15 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

 Weak support on the condition that we do not pre-emptively call an article 1.18 until we know whether that is the name of Part 2. Also keep in mind that, unless I am mistaken, we do not yet have a full list of every individual tiny thing that is definitely being taken off Part 1 for now. |\| () |\/| /\ |) | Talk | Discord | NMC 05:18, 15 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

 Support provided we get confirmation that Part 2 is called 1.18. ManosSef (talk) 17:41, 15 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

We do know what is in part 1 and 2. The only thing I am unsure about is the command format, I believe part 2 based on the fact that it is more technical.Humiebee^{talk contribs} 15:57, 15 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

 Not yet Yes, they said "2 releases", but you never know, if they will skip another release (or will it release as 1.17_2). I want more information, and then create articles. Also at this point, 1.18 may also break Style Guide, so we should not make decisions, which can lead to increase of vandalism --TreeIsLife (talk) 07:46, 15 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

 Mixed I support splitting, but not into 1.17 and 1.18. The other update being 1.18 hasn't been confirmed. I'd support a title like "Caves and Cliffs second release" or something, with a redirect from 1.18. -PancakeIdentity (talk) 08:20, 15 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

 Comment Caves & Cliffs part 2 is inconsistant with Adventure Update.Humiebee^{talk contribs} 15:54, 15 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

 Comment The reason for that is we know Adventure Update Pt. 2 is 1.0.0, we do not know the number for C&C pt.2, so it would be a temporary name until we do. TheYouInYouTube | ^{(talk|contribs)} 16:10, 15 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

@TheYouInYoutube:, I really think we should hold this off until more info is given, it should not be split, closed, created, etc until more info is said. Note that BE's new terrain gen was added for some reason AFTER 21w15a? There is a chance that BE may be merged, java split.Humiebee^{talk contribs} 22:26, 15 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

•  Support Split, it's been confirmed it's 1.17 & 1.18 for both.  Nixinova   T   C   00:50, 16 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
  • Has been unconfirmed, annoyingly. Maybe they haven't actually decided yet?  Nixinova   T   C   23:38, 16 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
    • Where was it unconfirmed?Humiebee^{talk contribs} 00:13, 17 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
      • "we haven't said anything about whether the second half will be 1.17.5, 1.18, or something else."  Nixinova   T   C   05:32, 17 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
      • And now it's been un-un-confirmed. [1]  Nixinova   T   C   05:46, 17 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I reverted @TheYouInYouTube:'s edit on 1.18 due it is too early to just smash a page there. We typically wait at least 3 days, so everybody has chance to participate and say how he wants to manage this. --TreeIsLife (talk) 07:46, 15 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I make a discussion at MCW:ADMIN#Java Edition 1.18 and I have a LOT of questions.Humiebee^{talk contribs} 15:57, 15 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Henrik recently replied to a tweet that asked if bedrock would also be split into 1.17 and 1.18. This confirms its existance I guess.Humiebee^{talk contribs} 02:02, 16 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Can you link the tweet? I can't find it TheYouInYouTube | ^{(talk|blog|contribs)} 19:34, 16 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Here https://twitter.com/henrikkniberg/status/1383066677512912903 105.186.239.104 19:40, 16 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

The graphs disappeared, probably because they're not accurate anymore. But, I would like to see a similar graph for what is in snapshot 21W15A, if possible. SirDaddicus (talk) 02:11, 17 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

According to https://mobile.twitter.com/kingbdogz/status/1386776067046785025, the Warden and Deep Dark features as a whole will not be included in Part 1 of Caves & Cliffs. He even replied to someone about the Sculk Sensor and said that it would only be available using Commands in Part 1. These features therefore should not be listed here, but rather in the Java/Bedrock Edition 1.18 pages. Otherwise it inaccurately implies that these features will be included in Part 1. Also something I just noticed, why does the article say "referred to as the "deep dark" temporarily"? We have no evidence that this name is temporary, and given how it is always used and almost always capitalized, it is quite likely that this is the final name.--Ziad El-Moursy (talk) 02:22, 27 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Moved to 1.18.  Nixinova   T   C   04:15, 27 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Article Java Edition 21w19a lists Java 16 as minimum required version, which I was able to partially confirm. The snapshot doesn't run with OpenJDK 11, but OpenJDK 17 works. Now, I'm not familiar with Minecraft development - will this requirement also be valid for Minecraft JE 1.17? In that case, this article should also reflect that requirement. --212.102.57.149 20:22, 12 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

I believe that since it is part of the current snapshots, which solely contain JE 1.17 features, Java 16 will be the minimum system requirement starting with 1.17 and onwards. From what I observed, all features or changes included in the snapshots of a certain version (1.17 in this case) inevitably make it to the final release of that version, which is probably why they reverted the changes to world generation in the snapshots and kept them in a datapack instead.– Unsigned comment added by Ziad El-Moursy (talk • contribs) at 21:48, 12 May 2021 (UTC). Sign comments with ~~~~Reply

In the article, it says "Undead mobs that are halfway in sand blocks dont burn in daylight," instead of, "Undead mobs that are halfway in sand blocks don't burn in daylight."--173.13.198.89 14:01, 8 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Just fix the error when you find it. Oh well never mind, the page is semi-protected. — Lumincand 14:19, 8 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

No longer upcoming for part 1. --Starfire2020 (talk) 04:21, 9 June 2021 (UTC)StarfireReply

Did cave generation change somewhat in this version? It feels like caves got a lot bigger, if that makes sense, compared to 1.12.2 on the same seed ("pain in the arse", large biomes)

also sorry for vandalising the glowsquid page lmao 2A00:23C6:E791:BF01:B73:6AC7:1E60:C76E 02:49, 8 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

 Not done: it is noted in article that the non-waxed variant can be turned into a waxed variant. Additionally, the wiki does not consider waxed variant of copper blocks to warrant an article on its own (MCW:N#1), and are merged into singular article showing the different variants, so a separate item is not needed. Outrowed (talk) 06:32, 2 April 2025 (UTC)Reply

can't reproduce -- Leo768 (talk) 08:26, 1 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

the bundle is already in 1.21.2, plus you wouldn’t even be able to find it without cheats. IAmSteve12354 (talk) 02:38, 24 July 2025 (UTC)Reply

the test blocks are included in the 1.21.5 page, why should bundles be excluded here? Sightnado ( talk | contribs ) 03:12, 24 July 2025 (UTC)Reply

Because the bundle is already in 1.21.2, so we should remove it for consistency IAmSteve12354 (talk) 21:20, 24 July 2025 (UTC)Reply

No, because the bundle existed in development versions for 1.17, it will stay. BDJP ^(t|c) 21:28, 24 July 2025 (UTC)Reply

so theres 2 bundles? IAmSteve12354 (talk) 21:38, 24 July 2025 (UTC)Reply

No, its all one item. Please actually read over the bundle page, particularly the history section. BDJP ^(t|c) 22:04, 24 July 2025 (UTC)Reply