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I've read "Why can people edit my posts? How does editing work?" in the Help Center, and I understand that what I post on the Stack Exchange network is licensed. So I don't doubt that others are considered, around here, to have a right to make these edits.

However, the Help Center article is clearly written from the perspective of someone who wants to make edits, rather than someone whose post has been edited. The "common reasons for editing" also don't seem to cover a large percentage of edits I've seen.

In many cases, I've had well-received posts - both questions and answers - left undisturbed for years, gathering upvotes, but then one day someone comes along and makes a change that just seems... unnecessary. I know I can roll back such changes, but people often seem to get angry when I do that. And a lot of the edits the community seems to value, could reasonably be judged as "trivial". (Not to mention, the Help Center article seems to contradict itself - surely an edit that just fixes a couple of spelling mistakes would qualify as trivial, too?)

What might be motivating people to edit questions that already meet the site's standards and are well received (i.e., got upvotes and didn't get closed)? Why edit an answer that hasn't become out of date, isn't missing any critical information, and is written with correct spelling and grammar?

What goal is served by making such edits?

And how should I decide whether an edit is serving those goals, or is just a meaningless change for the sake of change?

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    This Q&A is my own attempt to address a problem I noted a few months ago - The policy of editing out “noise” should be proactively explained and more easily referred to and justified - but with slightly broadened scope. Thanks to everyone in the comment exchange there - especially Makyen and starball - for the feedback and references. Commented Sep 26, 2024 at 19:55
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    They will receive two points for an approved edit. Commented Sep 26, 2024 at 22:33
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    I don’t think the self-answer matches "clear, accurate, appropriately detailed posts". Especially the last feature (but also the first in parts) means to me that there aren’t inappropriate details, such as noise. The answer even has a section "Removing unnecessary detail" which seems to contradict "appropriately detailed" directly. You might want to adjust the question or answer to better fit the intended scope before others add answers. Commented Sep 27, 2024 at 5:24
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    Even a tiny trivial change from "See how i did it" to "See how I did it" is good. Minor? Sure. Good? Yes. If done on old post without any other meaningful edit to that post, I'm against it as the bump it cause is doing more harm then good. However, if done on new post, or after the question was already bumped this is a good edit, and I don't like the undertone here saying "Don't edit if the post is good enough" - there's almost always room for improvement, and it's fine to improve content. Commented Sep 27, 2024 at 8:08
  • @ShadowWizard The question is about posts "written with correct spelling and grammar" so changes such as the one you mention wouldn’t apply either. (Really I am having a hard time seeing what cases are left by the description.) Commented Sep 27, 2024 at 8:10
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    Also, this isn't good fit as faq, as it's currently written as "such edits are bad". If possible, better edit to use a neutral approach. Commented Sep 27, 2024 at 8:10
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    @MisterMiyagi so need examples. What edits? Do they change the post? It's not clear. (Ironically, as this is about "clear posts".) Commented Sep 27, 2024 at 8:12
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    I almost never got angry responses when rolling back edits, even when leaving a comment telling the user why I don't want it. Commented Sep 27, 2024 at 11:57
  • @MisterMiyagi I agree; I wrote the whole thing in more or less one pass. Edits welcome. Commented Sep 28, 2024 at 1:37
  • @ShadowWizard "as it's currently written as "such edits are bad"" - sorry, I don't understand. If you're talking about the persona I assume in the question, the point is to set up a character that would resonate with the audience, so that they can subsequently be convinced. Commented Sep 28, 2024 at 1:37
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    @HolyBlackCat it's been a thing on MSO before. But I'm more trying to present the mindset (which isn't my own) of someone who instinctively wants to roll back every edit and assert control/ownership of posts. Commented Sep 28, 2024 at 1:39
  • @KarlKnechtel I can’t edit this if I don’t know what it is as supposed to say. Commented Sep 28, 2024 at 3:50
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    I'll have to think about it some more, then. Commented Sep 28, 2024 at 4:14

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Motivation and justification for editing

It's important to note that, as described on the tour for each site, Stack Exchange sites are not discussion forums. Unlike in a forum environment, which enables a conversation between someone asking a question and an expert who can answer it, the goal of this model is to produce useful reference material that can outlast the original question - for as long as asking it remains valid. The original incarnation of Stack Overflow was created specifically due to frustration with two main experiences:

  • Trying to research a programming topic, finding posts on a forum, and then trying to follow a long chain of replies that might ultimately lead nowhere in order to answer one's own question.

  • Trying to help people on a forum, only to discover that people overwhelmingly either can't clearly describe the problem, repeatedly ask about the same basic topics in slightly different ways, or both.

Of course, most of these problems are addressed by enforcing standards for questions (by closing those which don't meet standards and voting to rate them for quality) and by closing duplicates (external search engines don't care about post score, but they do care about inbound links; and in some cases people are automatically redirected).

But aside from determining the best way to phrase (and scope, and delineate, and illustrate...) a question, and the best answers for that question, we want to improve the reader's experience as much as possible. Posts on Stack Exchange are licensed publicly under Creative Commons because they are supposed to exist for everyone's benefit. In general, the people who read a Q&A greatly outnumber the people who participate in creating and editing it. They're coming to Stack Exchange because they, too, have a question; and respecting and conserving their time is a priority. Readers should be able to:

  • Determine as quickly as possible that they have found the right question;

  • Understand a clear problem statement or specification, as a backdrop for understanding the answers;

  • Read answers that get right to the point for simple problems, and are appropriately organized for more complex ones; and

  • Feel like they're reading polished reference material, rather than eavesdropping on a conversation.

Therefore, aside from simply fixing clear grammar/punctuation/formatting issues, editors need to concern themselves with:

"Noise"

Probably the most common reason for edits that get complaints from the original author is that the post was judged "noisy". The most easily understood forms of noise are greetings and signatures. But more generally, we want to exclude all conversational language from questions and answers, along with anything that is really about you as opposed to the question or answer. In particular, we only care about your motivation for asking a question, insofar as it helps to understand exactly what the question is.

This is also covered by the "Expected behavior" Help Center article, but not in very much detail. You may also want to read What should I keep out of my posts and titles?.

Removing unnecessary detail

A good question will, almost always, naturally require more words to answer properly than to ask properly. The reader's attention span is limited, and questions are expected to have a reasonable scope so that they can be answered coherently.

Thus: as a rule of thumb, a well asked question should fit comfortably on your screen without scrolling, unless explaining the problem really requires showing a large image or including long technical details about how to reproduce an issue.

In particular, it is generally not helpful for a question about how to perform some simple task, to include details about what the OP has already tried. If the goal is to figure out what went wrong, that's different from a how-to question. Please don't try to ask both at once. Besides which, "what went wrong" might be completely unrelated to what you're trying to do.

Many of the best, most valuable questions on a Stack Exchange site - for example, programming questions on Stack Overflow about simple tasks that every user of a programming language needs to understand, which get thousands of upvotes and millions of views and hundreds of duplicate links - are a single sentence long.

Similarly for answers: content which goes beyond the scope of what was actually asked should generally be removed, even if it's accurate and informative. In many cases, seemingly useful background information is really the answer to a separate question. If it hasn't already been asked, you can ask and answer it yourself, and link to that Q&A from another answer. Refactoring information like this makes it easier for the reader to choose whether to skip over the details.

Advanced formatting and copy-editing considerations

Since they should be short (as explained above), as a rule of thumb questions should generally not have section headings. Consider that if you added section headings to a question that didn't already have them, you would be adding vertical space for the headings themselves, and probably also increasing the total length of the prose. Having e.g. a "background" or "motivation" section on a question also just invites noise that doesn't belong in the first place.

In many cases, questions and answers can be made shorter and easier to read by integrating information into the flow of the text, rather than having bullet-point lists everywhere. When you write a post, before reaching for the * or - keys, consider exactly what you hope to accomplish with that formatting. For example, a list of external reference links can often be replaced with comma-separated links in the middle of sentence with no loss of clarity.

Finally, just because text formatting is used correctly doesn't mean it's used optimally. Consider whether judicious use of boldface and italic could make the post easier to read quickly. In particular, consider using boldface to highlight an "outline" of a post - such that reading only the emboldened words gives the reader a general idea of the post while skipping over detailed explanations.

How to judge edits

There's no clear, objective rule metric for edits that makes much sense. Opinions often vary about whether any given edit is "trivial" (try searching on per-site meta for "trivial edit" to get a sense of it), and whether that should be disqualifying in a given situation. But as some rules of thumb:

  • Single-word changes etc. will generally be accepted if they're objectively fixing a spelling mistake (or, say, the conjugation of a verb) or removing needless profanity. However, editors should at least scan through the rest of the post and correct any other such errors they notice all at once.

  • Users with unilateral editing privileges (generally, 2000 or more reputation) are typically given more latitude in editing, especially on Stack Overflow. Edits from lower-rep users have to be reviewed (and there's a small rep bonus on the line), which drains the community's resources; and such edits are put in a queue which can block other edits site-wide when full. Since users with the editing privilege can bypass these restrictions, and are expected to understand editing policy, there's little reason for them to hold back from small changes where necessary.

  • If it isn't clear whether something is an improvement, imagine making the opposite change. Does that seem like making the post worse?

Of course, clear vandalism should be rolled back immediately. But if you don't like how your post was edited simply because it tramples on your personal style, please first take a deep breath and try to see things from the editor's point of view. Assume good faith, check the edit summary if applicable, and be kind and charitable. If you still aren't convinced that the edit improves your post, consider taking the matter to per-site Meta rather than just rolling the edit back.

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    I tend to consider bullet-points to be much easier to read than comma-separated lists. If anything, there are too many posts that are walls of texts that could benefit from bullet points and other formatting, whereas I rarely see bullet-points being overused (in my opinion). So it seems questionable to dissuade their use. And for suggesting bold use, overuse or inappropriate use of bold turns many posts into unreadable messes (the bold in this post makes it a bit harder to read for me). Also, whether askers should include what they've tried is at least a very contentious issue among (SO) users Commented Sep 27, 2024 at 0:57
  • @NotThatGuy Other answers are welcome, at least for now, and I made this one CW for a reason. Commented Sep 27, 2024 at 3:53
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    "consider using boldface to highlight an "outline"" Please don’t. This is the one thing I find extremely hard to digest about your posts. Unless very specifically prepared, the bolded pieces are at best a long-distance jigsaw puzzle. Often one just gets disjointed statement pieces that don’t fit together and are impossible to separate from random emphasis (which to this point I thought was your intention). A TLDR is much more appropriate to make a long post digestible - in-text highlighting are a TLDR that still requires scanning everything. Commented Sep 27, 2024 at 5:33
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    ".. it is generally not helpful for a question about how to perform some simple task, to include details about what the OP has already tried": this seems to go against the policy of sites I frequent (e.g. Arqade) and moderate (Arts & Crafts), sites that perhaps are more practice-based. Obviously noise should equally be absent from whatever has been tried, but it is often valuable information for several reasons: to prevent answers that are useless for the OP, to deduce what the OP's skills and method of thinking are, to get a clearer idea of the problem to begin with, &c. Commented Sep 27, 2024 at 14:32
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Why do clear, accurate, appropriately detailed posts still get edited?

Because the editor believes the question could be:

  • clearer;
  • more accurate;
  • have more detail or more focus;
  • etc.
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    The premise of the question is that those are not the reason... Commented Sep 29, 2024 at 0:09
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    @Starship no, this question doesn't say that. maybe you have confused this with a different question. Commented Sep 29, 2024 at 2:37
  • @Starship It's a bit trite, but not wrong. The underlying idea is that we do seek to make questions better even if they're already acceptable. It might not be obvious to everyone that there's value in that. Commented Oct 19, 2024 at 20:31

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