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I was asked to repair a Phywe laboratory voltage source that exhibited small, periodic oscillations of its output voltage. This unit is a very simple passive supply: an autotransformer feeding a heavy-duty iron-core transformer, whose secondary goes to a full-bridge rectifier and a fuse. There are no capacitors and no active components. The transformer secondary is also available directly as an AC output.

The effect can be seen in the oscilloscope trace I photographed:enter image description here it shows the voltage measured across a 1 Ω power resistor connected to the DC output of the supply. The 100 Hz full-wave rectified ripple is visible, but superimposed on it is a strange, slow, periodically occurring decrease of voltage and current. This envelope modulation occurs roughly every few seconds.

Importantly, this effect is not visible when the same 1 Ω load is driven from the AC output of the supply.

Initially, I suspected some kind of thermal effect in the built-in bridge rectifier. To test this, I connected an external bridge rectifier to the AC output, and to my surprise I observed a similar effect (although somewhat less pronounced).

Next, I thought the cause might be some kind of transformer thermal protection, so I connected the external bridge to an entirely different source (my variac feeding a separate transformer). Yet again, the same slow modulation appeared.

Finally, I tried rectifying the AC voltage using only a single discrete diode (half-wave), and in that case the effect completely disappeared. The output remained stable with no slow oscillation.

This pattern leads me to wonder whether the phenomenon could be caused by some asymmetry or interaction specific to a full-bridge rectifier, but I have found no examples of such behaviour documented anywhere.

Can someone explain the origin of this effect? Why would a full-bridge rectifier repeatedly cause a slow periodic collapse of the DC voltage envelope under load, even with different transformers and different bridges, while a single-diode rectifier does not?

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  • \$\begingroup\$ What frequency and amplitude is the "sub-harmonic" ripple? I can't read the o-scope markers. \$\endgroup\$ Commented yesterday
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    \$\begingroup\$ Scope aliasing? \$\endgroup\$ Commented yesterday
  • \$\begingroup\$ ("reading" 4.6 s/.22 Hz.) Can you try to get a visualisation of line/AC voltage deviation from average/filtered? (one of the cores involved exposed to a superimposed not exactly synchronous field - wait, picture is from your work bench(?), repair was to fix this behaviour in some "field"?! How close, geometrically & electrically?) What fraction of average output voltage is that ripple? \$\endgroup\$ Commented yesterday
  • \$\begingroup\$ @MOSFET Sorry for the low-quality oscilloscope photo. Until Monday I cannot extract proper screenshots from the oscilloscope. The period of the slow envelope visible on the screen is approximately 4.7 s. At the peak of the envelope, the instantaneous DC current is roughly 80% of the “steady” current between downturns. \$\endgroup\$ Commented yesterday
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Andyaka The effect was originally observed in a physics-lab experiment where this power supply drives a few-turn copper air-coil. The coil current is monitored by an analog ammeter, and the unexplained periodic swings of the needle were what prompted further investigation. The oscilloscope confirmed that these swings correspond to the slow triangular modulation of the DC voltage. \$\endgroup\$ Commented yesterday

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As already commented by Andy: You are sampling at 500 Hz. The mains frequency is close to, but not quite, 50 Hz. Importantly, your sampling rate is not synchronous with the grid frequency. This means you will have a very strong aliased tone very close to 0 Hz. It is this tone that you are observing in the scope.

All of your observations can be explained, if you think about how the waveforms look in each case, and which section of it is most prone to be undersampled.

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    \$\begingroup\$ I thought aliasing too. But an added comment by OP says that analog current monitor also swings as oscilloscope trace does. That pretty well disallows oscilloscope sample aliasing as a cause. \$\endgroup\$ Commented yesterday
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    \$\begingroup\$ @glen_geek Yes I have seen that and as you say it's counter evidence.. However, the evidence for aliasing is so strong (even the triangular shape is expected due to aliasing), that I rather assume that it is aliasing and "something unrelated" led to the strange analog meter observation. Occams razor and such. \$\endgroup\$ Commented yesterday

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