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This question probably comes from a different place to some questions on here. I am currently playing a character who genuinely supports a police state (in the classic 1984 style) and I am trying to get myself into the head of someone who might do so.

I have done a Google search for justifications and philosophy but I can't actually find much other than 'police states are bad'.

I understand it on a basic level, but am trying to get a deeper understanding.

Are there any books or teachings of people who propose (even if playing devils advocate) that a police state is a good thing? Or at least people heavily on the 'security' end of the security vs freedom debate?

I am not sure if this best fits in politics or philosophy, but coming here first.

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    collocation: dictatorship, authoritarian regime, totalitarian regime Perhaps use a different search term and search for bibliographies on those subjects. Commented Feb 6, 2025 at 15:33
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    @SeriousBri Any examples? Commented Feb 6, 2025 at 19:04
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    @Lag To be fair you will find that you have people who don't care if their family/friends are negatively impacted as they think that any breaking of the rules deserves to be punished. Commented Feb 6, 2025 at 19:54
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    You can google "what are the advantages of living in Singapore" and you'll have plenty of testimonies of people that really enjoy living in a police state. Commented Feb 7, 2025 at 8:56
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    THis is not about politics. You only need a reason why your character believes the state is a good thing - and remembering that he probably hears only what the police state tells him. Commented Feb 7, 2025 at 13:49

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To start with, obviously, a police state can be a good thing for selfish reasons for those at the top, and quite far down the power structure, down to petty officials who can lord it over their neighbors. That goes without saying.

So why could other people see a benefit, without invoking brainwashing and propaganda? It depends on the circumstances, but such a state can be welcomed because people want stability and safety. Or prioritize national aggrandizement.

El Salvador

The people of El Salvador are currently making that type of calculation, albeit in a very very different, and much less philosophical, context from what you probably had in mind (which is probably better asked on WorldBuilding ).

Basically, they've chosen a quite repressive police state, with essentially no due process for imprisonment, over extreme gang violence.

Preliminary results released after 70% of votes had been counted showed him securing a second term by winning 83% of the votes.

He had already claimed victory before the results were announced.

His popularity has soared following a crackdown on crime which drove down the country's murder rate.

Under his presidency, El Salvador has been transformed from one of the most violent countries in the world to one of the safest in Latin America.

Despite his popularity, Mr Bukele remains a controversial figure. Human rights groups say that thousands have been arbitrarily arrested during his anti-gang drive.

An estimated 75,000 people have been arrested under emergency measure that have been repeatedly extended.

In a report in December, Amnesty International criticised the "gradual replacement of gang violence with state violence".

One needs to remember that there is a continuum of things, from anarchy to total state control. Police forces are present in all(?) real states, with in most of them the motivation being to keep the population safe from crime. If the crime is dialed up high enough, people will start to welcome more unconstrained police, i.e. a police state of sorts, if not quite for 1984s reason. On the other hand a dictatorship wanting to 1984-ize will most likely justify its police's actions as required to keep the population safe from criminals, terrorists and external enemies.

(The Philippine's Duterte got elected on such a mandate, but a) the situation was nowhere as dire and b) he made a proper hash of things).

China

Another example is China. The CCP is certainly running some level of a police state. Yet, most of the population seems somewhat accepting of it in the analysis I've read. The motivations are different, but no less real for all the brainwashing and censorship deployed by the CCP: China spent much of the early 20th century in the grip of domestic warlords fighting with gigantic armies. And that's in a population that takes great pride in pointing out that they are an ancient, unified, civilization. And let's not forget the 100 years of so during which Europeans humiliated China for the most rapacious of reasons.

So they prize - or have been taught to prize - unity and national strength above liberty and take CCP control to enforce that unity and national strength as in the nature of things.

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    "most of the population seems somewhat accepting of it in the analysis I've read - The problem with that is that it's impossible to get an actual gauge of people's acceptance. People who aren't accepting will lie and say they are, even on supposedly anonymous surveys, to avoid having their social score plummet or being disappeared. Commented Feb 7, 2025 at 5:45
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    @BlueRaja-DannyPflughoeft Yes and no. Seems to me, and I've read quite a bit about China, that the government is not operating in a context where people are cynical about it as say they were under the USSR and is appreciated to an extent. They do have a history to fall back on, as well as cultural norms, where the group trumps individuality and national cohesiveness is seen as strength. While I would not overstress the notion that China-uber-Alles trumps individual discontent, I also don't think there is the level of hidden resentment we would find in the West under equivalent circumstances Commented Feb 7, 2025 at 6:17
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    This isn't an answer about China or its sentiment, but I don't think I am going out on a limb that much in saying "somewhat accepting". Look for example how upset folk there can get when they perceive China is dissed in some way - there's a lot of nationalism backing "strong, unified, China" and that's also a deliberate move by the CCP. Also, a lot of Chinese travel or study abroad, and would be expected to be somewhat more candid when away from the Eye of Sauron. Commented Feb 7, 2025 at 6:26
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    One big point against Bukele is that the homicide rate already fell drastically before he was elected and did his crackdown. In 2015 the homicide rate was 106.3 (per 100000 people per year). Bukele was elected in 2019, but in 2018 it had already fallen to 53.1. His big crackdown was in 2022, but by 2021 the rate was already 18.1. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/… Commented Feb 7, 2025 at 8:45
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    @OscarCunningham: Be that as it may, this is relatively tangent to the point. As long as the population of El Salvador believes that he has led gang violence down, and as a result is ready to accept police violence as a better alternative, it's all that matters (for this question). Commented Feb 7, 2025 at 9:30
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There is a difference between something being a good thing, and people who are living in it thinking that it's a good thing. Much of it is encapsulated in the saying:

"I never thought leopards would eat MY face," sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party.

Many people think that a police state will be good for themselves personally, even though lots of other people will suffer. "We'll get rid of those [whatever] people and then I can thrive as I was intended to thrive" kind of thing. They are afraid of particular people or actions, so hearing that those people or actions will be banned, and that those bans will be enforced with whatever level of force it takes, with no holding back because of human rights, appeals to them.

Other people believe they are positioned to exempt themselves from the rules, probably by having money, and that the police state will lead to them having even more money, so they don't really care what the rules are or how they are enforced. (Don't they have an innate sense of justice or fairness that would make them feel bad about what's happening to others? Maybe not, if they were raised to be selfish and dismissive of others, or if they've been taught the blame/fear thing and can be convinced those people deserve what they get anyway.)

You can put your character into either of these groups, slotting in appropriate specifics about who they have been encouraged to fear and blame (immigrants, deviants, etc etc) or about the way they feel above the rules.

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  • I am not sure how much usefulness there is in the adage that you quote. On the one hand, political parties nearly invariably portray themselves as the democratic party of the people that supports freedom and prosperity, no matter how little their leaders may actually believe in any of those things, and thus rarely market themselves in such a crude manner (e.g. a dictator is likely to start by saying that it's the will of the people that they be elected, whatever the fake election result may say, not run under the banner of the Tyranny Party). Commented Oct 26, 2025 at 6:00
  • Conversely, almost everyone believes in some kind of "necessary evil" (the existence of criminal penalties in the first place, defensive wars, or whatever), and nearly every political party supports some such "necessary evil," so it is thoroughly unsurprising that people might vote for a party that supports some type of sanction that they would rather not happen to them, and there isn't much that one can conclude from that. Commented Oct 26, 2025 at 6:02
  • If I want the executives of companies that cause pollution to be liable for million-dollar fines or lawsuits and vote accordingly, someone might accuse me of voting for the "Massive Fines Party," and suggest that I should have expected that I would be subject to a million-dollar parking ticket because, after all, I voted for the Massive Fines Party and was foolish enough to believe them when they said that they only cared about polluters. But of course, there is no reason I should only support penalties that I would desire for myself, nor that I should expect all sanctions to apply to me. Commented Oct 26, 2025 at 6:07
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A police state will not be a 'good thing' for anyone on the long run. But some people might think otherwise at first.

First you would have to define what exactly a 'police state' means. The concept can range from ideas like 'firm but fair' to 'brutal crackdown.'

  • "Why do you fear surveillance if you have nothing to hide?"
    This line of thought is often brought up whenever someone argues for privacy protections. Many people argue that the state should not collect data on the people because that data may be abused later and because it is none of their business. Others point out how effectively crime could be prevented and how citizens could be protected if the police could tap phones without a warrant, record IPs at the internet providers, search people on the street, etc.
  • "Getting off on a technicality."
    An exasperated complaint whenever a suspect seems clearly guilty, yet the key piece of evidence is ruled inadmissible or the statute of limitations has expired or there is no law exactly covering the conduct. Many people argue that the rule of law is vital for society, and that an especially firm line needs to be drawn against violations by the state. Others are unhappy whenever the law does not provide what they deem justice.
  • "If you can't do the time, don't do the crime."
    The snippy answer when a convict complains about a sentence. It tacitly assumes that only the guilty will be accused. Many people assume that the police and prosecution are quite fallible, and that a necessary safeguard against the power of the state is to require the prosecution to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt, while the defense has the much easier task of simply raising reasonable doubt. Others have faith that the police would not bring the case if they were not sure, so why all the safeguards and delays?

Many supporters of police states suppose that they are among the "honest, law-abiding, normal" people and that the police will recognize this and act accordingly.

In 1935, the Nazis changed German law so that their courts could punish deeds which should be punished "according to the fundamental ideas of criminal law and healthy public sentiment" (gesundes Volksempfinden). Basically they said "throw out the law books, we can punish anyone for anything we define as deviant or unworthy." Even before that, they allowed the auxiliary police (party thugs with a cloth brassard) to lock Germans up in concentration camps without a trial. They started with the communists and socialists, but categories soon grew.

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    "Getting off on a technicality" - the other side of the coin is that there are already entire organisations dedicated to fighting against wrongful convictions, even without a police state. "Many people assume that the police and prosecution are quite fallible" - I wouldn't call that an "assumption". It's been well-demonstrated that humans are fallible, and the police particularly so. It's a conclusion based on evidence. This also feeds into "Why do you fear surveillance". Commented Feb 7, 2025 at 8:30
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    @NotThatGuy, personally I have no doubt that a police state is a bad idea. For instance, I think that in the OJ Simpson case the police framed a guilty man and that the not guilty sentence was correct for that reason. The OP asked for the reasoning used by supporters, and I believe that all three bullet points are frequently used by many of them. Commented Feb 7, 2025 at 11:21
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Most countries, including democratic ones, recognize that sometimes becoming a "police state" can be a necessary good for the country. That is why they include provisions for declaring an Emergency or Martial Law. These are often temporary measures though. No democratic country advocates for such long-term measures, as they are prone to political abuse.

But, a "police state" can sometimes be a reasonable long-term option in regions prone to violence (especially a civil strife), political instability and without good political institutions. It can temporarily provide some form of political stability and governance.

This is important as political stability is often an important factor necessary to create a democratic environment. This was partly why Gandhi's non-violent movement placed heavy emphasis on social stability.

Indian Express: For Gandhi, violence was a sign of the failure of a legitimate political power. At the core of Gandhi’s political theory is the view of politics as shaped by internal moral power, rather than from the standpoint of rational violence. Consequently, for Gandhi, the modern state contained forces that threatened, rather than enhanced, liberty. Therefore, he did not consider democracy as a political regime but as a value, which needed to be created and cherished ... Gandhi did not see the goal of political action as the immediate capture of office. According to him, the basic condition of political action was the elimination of violence ... Ultimately, what was important for him was to move from violence to politics.

References:

  1. A Guide to Emergency Powers and Their Use
  2. Safety at What Cost?: The Benefits of Martial Law and Why We Fail to Reap Them
  3. Gandhi’s morality wasn’t denial of politics. His idealism was completed by realism
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Speaking as someone who lived in a police state for many years, the answer might be both obvious and yet surprising.

The application of state infrastructure is concentrated against those who seek to break, subvert or exploit the system.

This includes dissidents who seek to overthrow or reform the system behind the scenes, but also includes those who seek to disrupt it infront of them.

My lived experience of a police state was that we experienced almost no crime from private citizens. The police had near impunity to deal with vandalism, robberies and anti-social behavior, so we had almost none of these things. It was safe for women to walk the streets alone at any time of night, and you could leave a bag unattended and it would still be there the next day.

We also had much less social division. People argued less and expressed fewer divisive opinions. Racial tension was almost non-existent, religious conflicts were almost non-existent.

This covered both genuine and malicious expressions. People didn't purposefully try to create tension by making provocative statements, or performing provocative actions, just to upset or offend people.

The internet didn't exist back then, but if it had we wouldn't have had people deliberately trying to create outrage on social media in order to attack clicks for advertising revenue, or because they enjoyed it. If someone wanted to "sit back and watch the world burn" they would have found themselves in prison for the crime of disrupting the social order or rumormongering. We didn't have an equivalent to people like Alex Jones claiming that the deep state was faking school shootings, and we didn't have people protesting outside of veteran's funerals with banners denouncing homosexuality.

We genuinely felt happy in our day to day lives, and we genuinely felt sorry for counites like the US which were having race riots and where more people were being murdered in small towns than we saw in large cities.

If you're views roughly aligned with those of the state, you barely even noticed that it was a police state.

Decreased crime, increase unity, greater social cohesion were the primary benefits. Those who went with the flow were genuinely content.

To answer some of the issues raised in the comment we absolutely had due process just like in a free and democratic state. If someone was accused of something they got their day in court. If they were accused of a non-political crime things went more or less how they would in the west. Though the punishments were a lot harsher. The idea being not to punish them for the crime, but to make an example of them so that other people wouldn't do it either. We had a very low rate of violent and sexual crimes, and little drug use. Anti-social behavior was almost non-existent. The biggest problem was bribery, often wealthy people bribing officials to get around things like pollution laws.

If it was a political crime they were given the opportunity to prove that they didn't do it, but if they were found guilty then the punishments were harsh and the gloves came off regarding things like beatings and starvation.

If you kept your nose clean, it wasn't a problem.

Not all police states are Stalin's Russia or Hitler's Germany. In fact we often looked at the US and its punitive laws and thought that Americans has less freedom than us. For example, towns with curfews, people going to jail because a passenger was drunk. Jay walking always made us laugh. The current situation in the UK with non-crime hate incidents would have seen us burning ballot papers in protest against the very idea of demoncracy.

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    Good point. Most stories about authoritarian regimes tend to be written from the POV of the dissidents, probably because “going with the flow” makes for a boring plot. But non-dissidents get a rational benefit from increased law and order. Commented Feb 7, 2025 at 19:32
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    @dan04, to be completely honest, most of the time I barely noticed that I was living in a dictatorship, though a number of people that I know were sent to a labor camp Commented Feb 8, 2025 at 12:01
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    @dan04 You get the IMPRESSION of law and order. That's a hell of a lot different from law and order. Like if the police can act on a whim, then you don't have any legal protections and speaking up about your rights or the lack thereof can brand you as "troublemaker". So you can end up the victim of a crime and it's speaking about that, which marks you to be the criminal. Also that's less of an order and more of organized corruption, if judge/jury and executioner are the same person. Commented Feb 10, 2025 at 13:22
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    @haxor789, that's mostly western propaganda. When we look at the US where a sober man can be sent to jail if a passenger has an open beer bottle, where Jay Walking is a thing, and towns can have arbitrary curfews, and not forgetting eminent domain and civil asset forfeiture, we looked at the US as being a police state. The truth is that unless you were some kind of activist trying to go outside of the system things really weren't that bad, you just had to show your ID card a lot more often, and had to buy some music bootlegged. Our justice system also lacked the racial bias of the US. Commented Feb 11, 2025 at 17:01
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    I wonder which country that was. The late Soviet Union had a massive amount of vandalism but also random violent crime, perhaps influenced by chronic lead poisoning from gasoline exhaust. Commented Feb 11, 2025 at 23:23
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It prevents crime!

I wonder if this might be better posed on worldbuilding.SE, but the obvious answer is that people who have been the victims of crime - especially violent crime - might be happier in a police state. Especially if they have been victims multiple times.

They genuinely believe that without (what they see as) a strong police force to protect the innocent, the place would descend into anarchy with crime gangs running wild and nobody would be safe in their own homes, or the warlords / mobsters would take over, and that would be far worse!

Now, of course, in reality, they might be just as likely to be victims of the police as they were of the criminals, or as many innocent people get locked up as guilty people, but if this hasn't happened to them specifically or someone they know / love, then they might not know about it or believe it. They may also simply see themselves as "law abiding citizens" but in fact be adherents to goodthink.

Here are some attitudes I have heard from real people:

  • "Well they must have done something" (aka "There's no smoke without fire") - referring to someone whose own guilt was in doubt but was known to associate with criminals.

  • "They don't even deserve a trial!" - referring to someone who was arrested for a particularly violent or heinous crime.

  • "If torturing someone helps them get information that prevents a terrorist from killing lots of people, it will have been worth it."

While none of the people who said these things would actually support a police state, it does give a peek into the mind of someone who might. It's likely they just don't call it a "police state".

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Frame challenge: Police state is originally a reference to Austrian empire.

Looking back, Austrian empire does not look that bad compared to things like perennial ethnic cleansings between Serbo-Croat ethnic groups or Nazi Germany. One may argue these things will not arise if Austrian empire would continue to function as their police state instead of falling apart. It gave way to worse regimes, even if these had less policing.

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    Frame challenge: If a succeeding system is worse, that doesn't mean that the previous system was necessarily better, it can also mean that the previous system is to blame for how the latter systems turned out to be... Commented Feb 7, 2025 at 10:40
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    @haxor789 That'a true, but that will not prevent people considering previous police states a good thing. Long term we are all dead, people have only one life and the best part of theirs could be under a police state. Commented Feb 7, 2025 at 10:44
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    @haxor789 A police state does not have to be bad for the majority. I don't think Austrian empire was woese for the majority of its people than British empire, especially if you factor in overseas territories. It's just you're not supposed to poke at its workings. Commented Feb 7, 2025 at 12:10
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    a police state is not significantly different from mob rule, by which I mean literally rule of mobsters. Sure for the mobsters that works to some extend but usually those don't make up the majority of people. Also compared to what? Like usually those systems either ushered in a decline or made use of an existing one. Though again you likely aren't going to get much honest accounts. Commented Feb 7, 2025 at 12:18
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    I don't believe Austrian empire wasn't significantly different from mob rule. I've seen multiple research papers which argue Austrian law abiding is still visible throughout the internal political layout of Poland and the Balkans. Commented Feb 7, 2025 at 12:34
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A thing may be perceived as a good thing or a bad thing, depending on what you compare it to.

The thing you compare the police state may be either real (unfortunately, pretty bad real-world examples of failed states do exist), or imaginary, created by the propaganda (the limit is someone's imagination).

For your particular purpose, imagine that you are robbed twice a month.

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I will suggest the book LTI.

Just like 1984 have newspeak where the goal is to have people that don't think critically then Nazi-germany had LTI where the successfully convinced the people that they had enemies (Slavs, Jews etc.)

The big majority of a police state are victims to whatever propaganda the society have. These states always have some kind of ministry of truth.

My advice is you don't read anything from those that support a police state.

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  • This answer could be improved by expanding out the title and author of the book, and including a sentence or two of context for the book. A 1930s or 40s Nazi book is not the same as a 1990 retrospective critique. Commented Feb 11, 2025 at 2:01
  • @JoelHarmon Actually "LTI" is the full title: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTI_%E2%80%93_Notizbuch_eines_Philologen#/… and that seems to be a deliberate troll by the author making use of the Nazi technique of using abbreviations and Latin terminology to make things more pompous and less obvious. Though what it means is "Lingua Tertii Imperii" or "Language of the third Reich" and it's analysis of a language professional (subtitle: "Notebook of a philologist") of that. Commented Feb 12, 2025 at 10:01
  • @haxor789 Curious. I am only familiar with this work from the wikipedia page, which gave me the impression that the title is "Lingua Tertii Imperii" but that appears to be a bad assumption on my part. I do still think including the author and a description and maybe the expanded subtitle would be helpful for context. Commented Feb 12, 2025 at 13:44
  • Sorry, I am usually a little lazy when I add wikipedia references because I consider wikipedia a "safe click". The Original title is LTI, and subtitle was "Lingua Tertii Imperii". I read it in a non-english translation where it also was titled LTI. It is a classic that is a fairly easy read and since the question asked for a book-recommendation then I thought I would give that. English title is on the wiki page. It is such a classic that it could one day be translated closer to the original. Commented Feb 12, 2025 at 14:24
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A bit surprised the only mention of Covid is in the comments.

The Covid pandemic gives a great example of when police states can be a good thing. If every country in the world could outright order people into their homes instead of do things like attend BLM protests, then there might never have been a pandemic. Even after the pandemic had become a pandemic, if governments could order people to get vaccinated, there might have been a lot less death.

Of course just because the police state can do these things doesn't mean that they will; that still depends on the leader(s) of the police state.

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Your fundamental flaw in that, is that you think of morality, of "good" and "evil" as objective universal properties. However if you tried that and would apply the more sophisticated version of the golden rule, i.e. the Kantian Categorical imperative: "Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law."

Then a police state simply isn't good. If you thought about it from the perspective of the innocent imprisoned and the people being punished more or less for the conditions in which they reside and which are outside of their control, then this isn't a just system. It isn't compassionate and it couldn't get much worse either. If moral laws are those that you would WANT to be universal (so everyone, everywhere at all moments) would WANT these laws to exist, then you're not really striking for a system that employs oppression or if you do, then you're either dishonest or delusional when you state that your goal is "moral" or "good" in anything like the sense mentioned above.

So if you genuinely support that, you need a different conception of what "good" is. The usual suspects of equality, harm reduction, freedom, compassion, mutual aid and growth, cooperation, love, justice, etc... won't do, because you'd violate all of them.

Like idk how Nietzsche went away from the division of "good and evil" and argued that a master morality would need to move towards "good and bad". Where good is what is conductive to the ability of a master to be a master and bad is what is hindering it.

Which you can read as affirming life and freedom of the individual against external moral constraints. But which you could (and yeah the Nazis did...) read as being an asshole...

However what the Nazis either didn't quite get or blissfully ignored is that this is an individualistic morality, as what is "good" and "bad" relates to 1(!) subject. There is no "master race", no "chosen people" or whatnot. There is only ever one master who is the agent and the rest are tools of that agency or threats of taking it away.

So there is an inherent contradiction in the ranks of a police state. On the one hand the absolute monarch/tyrant or whatever you want to call it. Pulls the strings and everyone else is either following their plan or ending up on the list of criminals.

On the other hand he actually relies on people obeying his commands, so actually he's rather powerless without the consent of the people who enforce his rule and ultimately also without the people subject to this rule.

So the goal of the leader is to dethrone the base and to dominate his followers more thoroughly, being less reliant on their good will. While his base also tries to individually empower and enrich themselves, which would be at the expense of the master (as a self-reliant base can do without accepting domination).

So his base needs to cooperatively work together and display an amount of strength, capable of subjugating anyone, at the same time that very strength and unity is an inherent threat to the very system that wields it.

So despite pretending "stability" to the inside and outside, those systems are usually quite volatile examples of cut throat politics, with tons of intrigues and power struggles between the upper and the lower party, where the "stability" of the ruler does not entail stability of government, as the ruler is often barely more than being a figurehead. So either the current ruling faction keeps the leader in power as symbol or the other way around the ruler rules by letting factions compete for his support.

Also as you quote 1984, Orwell was rather blunt how and why that works:

'You are ruling over us for our own good,' he (Winston, outer party/resistance) said feebly. 'You believe that human beings are not fit to govern themselves, and therefore --'

He started and almost cried out. A pang of pain had shot through his body. O'Brien had pushed the lever of the dial up to thirty-five.

'That was stupid, Winston, stupid!' he (O'Brien, inner party) said. 'You should know better than to say a thing like that.'

[...] we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past, in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.

'How does one man assert his power over another, Winston?'

Winston thought. 'By making him suffer,' he said.

'Exactly. By making him suffer. Obedience is not enough. Unless he is suffering, how can you be sure that he is obeying your will and not his own? Power is in inflicting pain and humiliation. Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing. Do you begin to see, then, what kind of world we are creating? It is the exact opposite of the stupid hedonistic Utopias that the old reformers imagined. A world of fear and treachery is torment, a world of trampling and being trampled upon, a world which will grow not less but more merciless as it refines itself. Progress in our world will be progress towards more pain. The old civilizations claimed that they were founded on love or justice. Ours is founded upon hatred. In our world there will be no emotions except fear, rage, triumph, and self-abasement.

I mean Orwell told his subjects as much in order to break them down so much that they willingly contribute after having seen that they have no chance at all. While real world counterparts usually make their base believe almost the opposite of their policies seek to actually accomplish.

Like how "national socialism" is a complete oxymoron or how "MAGA" is meaningless without specifying what "Great" or "Again" refers to. But it allows the base to imagine something that the head isn't actually moving towards and keeps them complicit until they are co-conspirators in the crime and can't go back and until they are disempowered and subjugated to the point where their support no longer matters.

So TL;DR you'd need to specify where in that food chain your character is located as there is no coherent universal ideology of fascism and no end game to it. A police state usually doesn't serve a purpose, it serves itself.

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    "If you thought about it from the perspective of the innocent imprisoned", while there is no denying that police states are bad when looked at from the perspective of the people who get on the wrong side of them, for everyone else it's mostly business as usual. I spent my youth in a totalitarian single party state dictatorship that fits all of the criteria of a police state. The truth is that I barely noticed. We lost some freedoms but gained others. Like being able to walk alone after dark as a girl, or not having race riots like in the US and Europe at the time. Swings and roundabouts. Commented Feb 8, 2025 at 12:04
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    youth being under 35, I barely had any instances were being in a police state were more than a small inconvenience. it was mostly just being asked for my transit papers and only being able to buy certain music on the black market music. being a police state wasn't even close to Nazi Germany, and some of us are Jewish so the comparison is somewhat offensive. Commented Feb 10, 2025 at 15:47
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    that's just it. I wasn't "blissfully ignorant" of anything. I was fully aware of what was happening and I supported the majority of it, as did everyone else because we felt that the tradeoffs in terms of personal and political freedoms were largely worth it not to have the race riots and high crime rates of places like the US. What I'm trying to get home to people is that not all police states are Nazi Germany. We had fewer police shootings and a smaller prison population than the US. The US war on drugs alone put more people in jail than my dictators did for political reasons. Commented Feb 11, 2025 at 16:54
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    With all due respect, my LIVED EXPERIENCE is that "not all" police states persecute everybody all of the time. I am just an ordinary person who lived in an ordinary blue collar town, zero privilege of any kind. My LIVED EXPERIENCE is that most of the time it was just a mild inconvenience for the vast majority of people. Yes, there were secret police but it wasn't like it is in the movies, I only personally knew one family that was sent to a Gulag, and they were released after several years without being tortured or killed. We had a murder rate 10% of the US per 100,000 people. Commented Feb 12, 2025 at 17:46
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    let me be straight, it really wasn't that bad. We had strict laws and state surveillance, and people who tried to subvert the authority of the state were rounded up and put in jail, but this rarely impacted our daily lives because it was very easy not to break the law, and very little that we did was of any interest to the secret police, we just couldn't vote, or campaign to get the vote. If your country put someone in jail for multiple years for breaking and entering, how many years would you have served, to the nearest decade? Commented Feb 13, 2025 at 21:06

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