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Inspired by What is the rationale behind the "attempted murder" concept? I got to thinking about mass shootings, like the 2017 Las Vegas incident. During this event, the shooter fired over 1,000 rounds, killed 60 people and wounded over 400 others. The crowd he was shooting into contained over 22,000 people.

The shooter killed himself after the incident, so no charges were ever filed. But I'm wondering what charges could have been filed. Obviously 60 counts of murder, and either assault or attempted murder for each of the victims who were hit but didn't die.

But what about other people? About 400 people were injured as a result of the panic that ensued -- a reasonable person can anticipate this, so it seems like there could be charges for recklessness. Would it be a count for each injured person?

What about the remaining 21,000 attendees? If he was just firing randomly into the crowd, could it be considered attempted murder against every one of them?

On top of criminal charges, could there also be a lawsuit for pain and emotional suffering by the attendees (maybe a class action to simplify the proceedings)?

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    In Germany, some of the belated justice for Nazi criminals involves findings like "accessory to murder in 10,505 cases and attempted murder in 5 cases." The number derives from the death count at the camp while the defendant was working there. Commented May 14, 2025 at 17:31
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    Your question seems to be basing itself on an interpretation that "attempted murder" only applies to cases of non-lethal wounds inflicted on a victim, and not when missing the victim with every intent to hit them. Was I not attempting to murder you purely because I missed instead of turning a kill shot into a non-lethal one? Commented May 15, 2025 at 1:59
  • Why would anyone bother? If the shooting happens in the US, the killer is going to be executed. In Australia or NZ they lock they guy up and throw away the key. Unless the perpetrator is very rich, they won't have any money left after the families of the victims have been compensated. Many of the survivors would have PTSD, so I expect they wouldn't want to relive the experience. Commented May 15, 2025 at 4:04
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    @SimonCrase "If the shooting happens in the US, the killer is going to be executed." Not a very high chance of that, although sometimes possible. Commented May 15, 2025 at 11:43
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    @SimonCrase I think it's common to file additional charges, in case the defendant is acquitted on some of them. And even when someone is sentenced to death, they will appeal (in some states, death penalty cases are automatically appealed). Commented May 15, 2025 at 14:36

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First your ask:

But what about other people? About 400 people were injured as a result of the panic that ensued -- a reasonable person can anticipate this, so it seems like there could be charges for recklessness. Would it be a count for each injured person?

A defendant can be liable for panic-induced injuries to bystanders if those injuries result from a reasonably foreseeable escape attempt triggered by the defendant’s conduct. For example:

In R v Roberts, the victim jumped out of a moving car following unwanted sexual advances. The defendant was held liable for assault occasioning actual bodily harm despite the direct harm being caused by the victim's actions.

Therefore, if people are trampled or hurt while fleeing, and that panic was a natural and foreseeable reaction to indiscriminate gunfire, the shooter could, in principle, face one count per injured person, assuming sufficient causal connection.

This won't apply in every case. Lord Justice Stephenson (in the judgement of the aforementioned case) stated that if the victim’s act was sufficiently unreasonable, then it would be considered to be an independent voluntary act. Therefore, each case would require individual analysis.

Ultimately, in the same way that property damage is probably not worth considering in a case like this, the same principle likely applies here. There are far easier and more severe charges that can be established.

You also ask:

On top of criminal charges, could there also be a lawsuit for pain and suffering by the attendees (maybe a class action to simplify the proceedings)?

Each injured person has a separate course of action and these will not be aggregated automatically (although they can be). Given the indirect nature of the injuries in question, we look to the principles governing the tort of negligence. This requires us to establish that the defendant breached a legal duty of care, which caused the ensuing harm.

Again, on a case-by-case basis, this would require looking into the foreseeability of the harm and whether the shooter legally caused the harm to that individual (legal causation is not the same as factual causation). An individual who was trampled in the panic, would likely have a strong case. On the other hand, if several people were run over by a driver trying to escape by driving through the crowd, they would have a weaker case against the shooter and may want to consider proceedings against the driver instead.

Finally, you ask in a comment:

What about the emotional suffering that affects nearly everyone in the crowd?

This concerns the issue of pure psychiatric harm. In general, all claims for psychiatric harm must be a medically recognised psychiatric illness or a shock-induced physical condition.

The above requirements are necessary, but are not sufficient. After this, the law on negligence makes an important distinction between primary and secondary victims. A primary victim is someone in the actual area of danger; or who reasonably believed that they were in danger. A secondary victim is someone who experiences emotional suffering after witnessing injury to someone else; or fearing for the safety of another person (eg a family member).

The requirements for a duty of care to be owed to a primary victim are that there must have also been a foreseeable risk of physical injury which never manifested. However, the risk of psychiatric harm does not need to have been foreseeable.

On the other hand, the law is much harsher on secondary victims. They must satisfy the control mechanisms under the Alcock test (Alcock v Chief Constable of South Yorkshire Police). This requires the claimant to establish:

  1. Foreseeability of psychiatric harm for a person of normal fortitude in the claimant’s position
  2. The claimant must have a close relationship of love and affection with the person who is endangered
  3. The claimant must be present at the accident or its immediate aftermath.
  4. The claimant must see or hear the accident, or its immediate aftermath, with their own senses.

If all four requirements are met, the secondary victim will also have a course of action. These requirements are not always straightforward to establish, and there is a lot of case law addressing each of these requirements in more depth.

In another comment, it was mentioned that we could also consider"

the specific offence of possession of a firearm with intent to endanger life

That is certainly true. While this is more straightforward than the issues the OP referred to in the question (ie on the foreseeability of indirect harm and the possibility of damage for pure psychiatric harm), a complete answer should also mention this.

This statutory offence can be found in s16 of the Firearms Act 1968, and reads:

It is an offence for a person to have in his possession any firearm or ammunition with intent by means thereof to endanger life ... whether any injury ... has been caused or not

The application of this to the facts is straightforward. The offender clearly has the actus reus of being in possession of a firearm or ammunition (satisfying both). Similarly, they also have the mens rea by the fact that they clearly intended to endanger life. In fact, they would still incur liability under s16 if they had not killed or injured anybody.

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    @FD_bfa I think it would be fair to distinguish between viewers from people who were actually involved and in danger. "I feared for my life" is far different from "I was horrified by what I saw" Commented May 14, 2025 at 20:26
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    @WeatherVane Watching news is a choice, and it's unlikely you don't know what you're getting yourself into. Lots of news shows even warn when they're about to show sensitive footage. Commented May 14, 2025 at 20:28
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    @Barmar My point about the facts is that I don’t know how many people in the crowd were actually at risk. For example, someone who witnessed the incident from the other side of the crowd may have been at no risk at all (depending on the weapon). They would be a secondary victim and subject to the Alcock test. On the other hand, a primary victim, at risk of being injured by the gunshots, doesn’t need a close relationship to any victims. Commented May 15, 2025 at 0:32
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    @TobySpeight That's a good point. I focused my answer more on the issues that the OP was alluding to (ie issues relating to remoteness + pure psychiatric harm), but for completeness I will update my answer when I get a chance Commented May 15, 2025 at 6:58
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    @MichaelHall ...and it was also a stab at a litigation culture that thinks if anything bad happens to you, it must be somebody else's fault :) Whilst that isn't the case in UK, there is an increasing demand for 'compensation'. Commented May 15, 2025 at 18:23
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Criminal liability does not care much about "lesser victims"

US and French penal sentencing differs significantly on three aspects:

  • concurrence of jail terms
  • standardization of sentencing guidelines
  • plea deals

The differences are detailed below. Because of those differences, deciding to charge (or not charge) attempted manslaughter/murder in French courts is mostly about having a "fallback" in case the more serious charges are beaten (which would be difficult under the given fact pattern), and will not significantly move the sentence.

French jail terms are concurrent

Article 132-3 of the penal code:

Lorsque, à l'occasion d'une même procédure, la personne poursuivie est reconnue coupable de plusieurs infractions en concours, chacune des peines encourues peut être prononcée. Toutefois, lorsque plusieurs peines de même nature sont encourues, il ne peut être prononcé qu'une seule peine de cette nature dans la limite du maximum légal le plus élevé.

When, within a given procedure, the prosecuted person is found guilty of multiple related infractions, every possible penalty may be imposed. However, when multiple penalties of the same nature (*) are possible, only the highest possible penalty may be imposed.

In US parlance: every period of jail time imposed within the same trial is run concurrently.

Therefore, if you are found guilty of murder, the maximum sentence does not depend on attempted manslaughter attempts in the same series of facts. The actual sentence will depend on it, but it does not require charging the manslaughter attempts.

(*) Penalties are mostly jail time and fines, but specific infractions give rise to a fairly diversified set of "peines complémentaires": license revokation for drunk driving, ineligibility for corruption by public figures, etc.

Standardization of sentences

Furthermore, the US sentencing culture is heavily influenced by the federal sentencing guidelines. They might be non-binding on state courts, and can be deviated from in federal courts, but they still tend to encourage a "mathematical" view of sentencing (if guilty, then go through criteria A to Z, calculate a "score" and sentence accordingly). This has advantages (in particular, the USSG reduced a previously enormous race bias) but it also reduces the personalization of sentences (which is necessary for other reasons).

In French courts, there is no such standardization. Common infractions will often have a "tag price", but those "tag prices" might differ across courts, and can be "haggled with" considerably more than in the US. Mass murder is not a common infraction and will be sentenced with considerable individualization.

"Plea deals" do not exist for felonies

Given the above factors, a French prosecutor has much less control over the sentence than her US counterpart.

There was a considerable shift towards plea-deal-type procedures in French criminal law in the last ~20 years. I am not familiar with the various procedures but a key point of all of them is that (A) the prosecutor still charges for the largest offense, (B) the judge can reject the deal with much more discretion than they would have in the US.

This shift was mostly oriented towards mass infractions, where the "tag price" was already established due to a large market of sellers (offenders) and buyers (law enforcement catching them). Typically, those would be small-time drug dealing, petty thievery, and driving offenses. The policy goal was (obviously) to reduce the costs associated with the justice system.

Felony cases are (thankfully) rare and involve considerable risk for the defendant. Plea-deal procedures do not apply to them.

Civil liability and procedure

Civil liability

On top of criminal charges, could there also be a lawsuit for pain and emotional suffering by the attendees

A very rough summary is that French law, both civil and criminal, quantifies "pain and emotional suffering" through the incapacité temporaire / totale de travail.

Basically, non-tangible harm is quantified by medical certificates establishing that the affected person could not "work" for a given duration. "Work" is somewhat misleading though; see the governmental guidelines for medical practitioners:

l’incapacité ne concerne pas le travail au sens habituel du mot, mais la durée de la gêne notable dans les activités quotidiennes et usuelles de la victime (...). La période pendant laquelle une personne est notablement gênée pour se livrer à certaines des activités précitées est une période d’incapacité (...)

the inability does not refer to work in a professional context, but to the duration of a non-trivial impediment for the victim to pursue its daily routine activities [eat, cook, buy groceries, etc.]. (...) The duration of significant impediment to such activities counts as incapacité temporaire de travail.

It is very likely that people in the crowd, even if not hit by bullets, would exhibit some trauma symptoms giving rise to temporary and/or durable "impediment to daily, routine activities". This might also be the case for close family members of those in attendance, etc.

Class action (almost) does not exist in France

(maybe a class action to simplify the proceedings)?

Technically, class actions are possible under French law since 2014. However, they are extremely rare (this 2024 source counts 32 procedures in total, 6 of which did not end in a dismissal). They are also restricted to consumer law violations; a terrorist attack would not do.

That being said, "standard" lawsuits that look a lot like class actions do exist. It is not uncommon for a large number of plaintiffs with similar claims to be represented by a single lawyer (or team of lawyers). If a court in such a case suspects that various groups of plaintiffs have diverging interests, or that individualized factor will matter, they will most likely remind the lawyer(s) of their obligation about conflicts of interests. This would be class certification in all but name.

Furthermore, (part of) the public policy behind class actions is to discourage bad behavior that causes small damage to numerous persons. French law has a different approach to that problem, by giving standing for certain moral persons to sue. Hence, environmental NGOs have standing to sue in administrative court to cancel building permits on undevelopped land, consumer groups have standing to sue in civil courts if a defective product was found on the market, etc. Such moral persons are entitled to damages even in the absence of individualized injuries, and they do not have to redistribute the proceeds to injured parties.

(I do not have the specific knowledge to comment on the exact economics of such cases, nor do I care much to investigate, given that this is not central to the question asked.)

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  • Does "multiple related infractions" mean multiple similar infractions? If you kill 10 people it's the same penalty as killing 1 person? Or are they talking about lesser included charges, e.g. murder with a firearm and firearm possession? Commented May 15, 2025 at 18:09
  • @Barmar IIRC, France does not do "multiple life sentences". Murder is murder. Commented May 15, 2025 at 18:27
  • @Trish So? Obviously if one of the punishments is life, the others are irrelevant. Commented May 15, 2025 at 18:34
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    I don't think "only the highest possible penalty may be imposed" matches the corresponding French very well. It looks more like "only one penalty of that kind may be imposed, limited to the highest legal maximum." And although that has effect similar to concurrent sentences in the U.S., it's not quite the same. Commented May 15, 2025 at 20:39
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    @Barmar "If you kill 10 people it's the same penalty as killing 1 person" - the same maximum penalty, yes. The actual sentence will likely be closer to the maximum of the range. Commented May 16, 2025 at 10:06

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